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Over just the past 12 days, more than 500 Iraqis have been tragically killed in Shia/Sunni violence in Iraq -- in the wake of the February 22nd bombing of the Askariya shrine in Samarra, a holy place for Shia Muslims.

Our brave men and women in uniform remain in harm's way, caught in the middle of an increasingly violent religious conflict -- and the situation is in real danger of spiraling into a full-scale civil war.

This is progress?  More on the flip.

You and I and millions of Americans have demanded an exit strategy, which the Bush Administration has still refused to produce.  At a minimum, we've demanded a real timetable with concrete, measurable milestones so we can measure our progress towards withdrawing American troops.

Now, with full-scale civil war a real possibility, the Bush Administration must do more -- and quickly. President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld can't continue to bury their heads in the sand about the rapidly deteriorating security situation in Iraq.  It's time for them to wake up to the facts and plan for the worst:  how to get our troops out from the middle of a potential civil war.

That's why I recently wrote to Secretary Rumsfeld, urging him to produce a plan for the worst-case scenario of full-scale civil war in Iraq -- and to share that plan with Congress.  And I've begun circulating an online petition, which I'll personally be delivering across the Potomac River to the Pentagon this week.

More than 31,000 Americans have already signed my petition, and I want your name on it as well before I take it to the Pentagon.  

Please sign my petition to Secretary Rumsfeld now!

Given this Administration's past failure to plan for the Iraqi insurgency after the American invasion, we can't take anything for granted.  It seems that the Bush Administration can only see things through rose-colored glasses.  And that's clearly not acceptable with American lives on the line.

The only way we'll know that they're prepared is if they develop a plan for dealing with an Iraqi civil war -- and share that plan with the relevant committees in Congress, so the American people can be reassured that the Bush Administration is ahead of the curve, for a change.

Our brave servicemen and women deserve no less than the very best from their civilian leaders.  With your help and vigilance, we'll make sure that's what they get.

Please sign my petition to Secretary Rumsfeld now -- before I deliver it to the Pentagon this week!

I'm just wrapping up some votes in the Senate, but I'll be back shortly to read through and respond to some of your comments.  Thanks so much for your continued friendship and support.


UPDATE: Thanks so much for all of your feedback and support. I hope I've addressed many of your questions in the comments below. In any event, I hope to see many of you in Las Vegas at the YearlyKos convention in June.

-- BB

Originally posted to Barbara Boxer on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:38 PM PST.

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  •  I'll be back in a few minutes... (4.00)
    ... starting around 7pm ET to respond to some of your comments.  Thanks again for all of your support!


    •  Please remember to sign my petition (4.00)
      I want to make a big impression when I deliver our petition to the Pentagon, so please join me:


      •  Will do. (4.00)
        BTW, you rock.  As one of the few senators trying to apply the brakes as we slide into an Orwellian/Dickensian future, I am truly grateful that you are there fighting for us.

        -8.75;-5.28. But it don't mean nuttin if you don't put your money where your mouth is

        by ultrageek on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:50:38 PM PST

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        •  We Need Bold Leadership (none)
          Instead of criticizing the Bush administration, which is extremely easy to do because they are such absolute bone heads, why am I not hearing solutions from the Democrats? For me it would seem that if the President and Mr. Rumsfeld come up with something, anything, then all your efforts will look foolish and inadequate. We Democrats need to take a stronger leadership roll. We need to put forth better solutions than can be thought of by Republicans, solutions that will solve our problems. Maybe you haven't seen the polls, but the American people aren't to happy about us either. I mostly see Democrats being the Box Turtle party, claming up, afraid to take political risks and hoping that the Republicans will self destruct. Well, it looks like you all got your wish, however, the American people deserve better; they deserve bold leadership, innovative leadership, and real vision. If the Democrats don't come up with a solution for Iraq, what will happen is that people will not vote and that benefits the Republican Party. So, I am going to put this to you very clearly. What are you prepared to do about Iraq? I have a solution for developing a set exit strategy that will prevent civil war. I think it maybe something that many of the readers of this Blog have thought of. We are waiting for our Democrat leadership to forward such a solution. The solution is to change the focus from having troops standing around and getting shot at to moving towards a more police like solution. Bring back the entire old army of Saddam and make them a formidable police force. Have American police officers train and lead each level of the new structure, from cops on the beat, to detectives, to administrators. Those Iraqis who show American style police leadership ability in a few months hold co-authority with the trainers. The new police's duties will be to keep the piece and to find out from the populous who and where are the insurgents. The beat cops look for intelligence on the street and report back to a Special Weapons and Tactical Team that goes into action to arrest or engage the insurgents. In about 12 months this organization should be able to suppress the insurgent movement well enough to allow full troop withdrawal, leaving behind the "police officers" and a small mobile military contingency force to deal with pockets of well armed insurgents too large for the SWAT teams. This group will be training Iraqis to do their job and will be out at around 18 months. Once comfortable that the Iraqi Police Response is capable to stand on its own and capture and prosecute insurgents, the American Police leave. This could be done in 24 months if all goes to plan, 36 months if finding good Iraqi police leadership becomes problematic. In that case we take the best of what they have to offer and bring them to the United States for a year to see how police departments work. We do this near the first year and then sending them back to Iraq with a mission to recreate strong police departments there. This has been just my two cents worth to help the Democratic Party.
    •  Thank you for posting here. (3.92)
      I am running aginst Mike Pence in Indiana's 6th District.  Barry Welsh is our campaign website.  I hope to join you in Washington and aiding in cleaning up this mess that our Government has become.

      Barry Welsh Indiana 6th District Democratic Congressional Candidate


      by Barry Welsh on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:43:48 PM PST

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    •  Why did you vote for the Patriot Act? (4.00)
      Senator Boxer,

      I'm a California voter, and I am usually a big supporter of yours.  I diaried twice last week about two votes of yours, the first was for the set of Amendments to the Patriot Act and the Second was in regards to your vote for the Act itself.  As someone who usually support civil liberties, would you mind explaining why you voted for this bill?  Many of us were shocked that you did.  I know this is a bit out of place, but I sure would appreciate an explanation.


      •  Especially in Light of the NSA Scandal (4.00)
        There isn't any evidence that Bush is NOT tapping Boxer's phone. He may even be tapping Republican Senator's phones to assure their loyalty. Patriot Act is another enabler. The executive cannot gather any more power.
        •  Exactly -- Please Diary for Us Senator Boxer! (4.00)
          We would love to understand why you acted the way you did in regards to the Patriot Act.  Many of us are quite concerned that you didn't stand with Senators Akaka, Bingaman, Byrd, Feingold, Harkin, Jefford, Leahy, Levin, Murray and Wyden?  I would really like to know why you didn't stand up for our 4th Amendment rights.
      •  PATRIOT Act (3.55)
        There were several votes, and I tried at every turn to delay the final vote so we could continue adding civil liberties protection to the PATRIOT Act.

        At the end of the day, some improvements were made.  That is why so many civil libertarians voted for final passage.  But there are still problems with the bill.  Because I voted for it, I am now in a better position to fix it.  And I intend to do so.


        •  If you can Remedy it -- I suppose (4.00)
          Not being a politician, I don't understand the logic of voting for something that you oppose for the purpose of modification, but there must be a lot more information that I am missing.  

          Please help us support our 4th amendment rights Senator, and I thank you for all that you have done to try at least.  Civil liberties are very important to me, and really what I believe makes us free.  I hope that you will do all you can to help out on this important issue.  When I grew up, the thing that we told ourselves, was that we were free in America due to the bill of rights -- while the Soviets did not respect freedom nor dissent.  I am concerned that we are turning the corner to the old Soviet style of life in our own country -- which is something I desperately don't wish to see happen!

          I appreciate all of your other work you have done for us.

        •  Thank you for responding to that question. (4.00)
          I have anotherr one.

          What are your top concerns with the bill and what do you feel needs to be fixed?

          Thank you for everything. I'm a CA constituent and greatly appreciate your efforts.

          ... we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

          by Tirge Caps on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:16:20 PM PST

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          •  Fixing the PATRIOT Act (3.66)
            We still have problems with the libraries and bookstore provisions, and the sneak and peek provisions.

            Even though the Sununu amendment said that "traditional" libraries are exempted from searches, most libraries do have internet connections and therefore that's a loophole that needs to be closed.

            On the "sneak and peek" provision, I believe someone should be notified immediately if their home is entered.  The bill now says law enforcement has 30 days to notify someone.

            There are other problems, and that's why I'm already working on a bill to correct these problems.


            •  Please Stop Doing This (3.66)
              At some point our politicians need to stand up for civil liberties. The reason we have a President who signed off on torture and illegal spying is because our leaders have been willing to slide slowly down that slippery slope for the last four decades.

              You must put a stake in the ground and say that you will not vote for any legislation that further erodes civil liberties. Let me just remind you what's at stake:

              The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

              I don't feel secure in my person, house, papers or effects. I can no longer travel in this country without being systematically spied on. Is it a crime now to fly on a plane? Is it a crime to go to the library? Is it a crime to have a phone conversation?

              The answer is No, No, No! But now we are expected to submit to searches not when it is reasonable to us, but rather when it is reasonable to the police. There's a term for that, a very low and demeaning term that we've used for some time for third-world countries with corrupt governments. It's called a "police state."

              Unless you (personally) stop voting for legislation like the Patriot Act, you are contributing to the problem.

              As one of your constituents and as a proud American citizen, I petition you to change course.

              Liberal Thinking

              Think, liberally.

              by Liberal Thinking on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:32:11 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Damn (none)

                If we're dumb. Then God is dumb. And maybe a little ugly on the side.

                by Ghost of Frank Zappa on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 02:06:22 AM PST

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              •  It is time (none)
                for the truth, I am enraged at what this Administration has been doing to the American People they are in full assault, will not stop at anything to force their PNAC agenda through.  We are all involved in their corrupt scheme.  Please encourage your colleagues to stand up and support the American People.  These people must be stopped now, they are ruining our country.  

                Thank you Senator Boxer for all your support, please address those problems on that awful Patriot Act, it should not even be called that, this administration are not Patriots.

              •  Dear Deano963 (none)
                Hey! What is it? You don't have enough civil rights?

                Give me a break!

                Liberal Thinking

                Think, liberally.

                by Liberal Thinking on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 07:49:33 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

        •  I don't follow (3.81)
          You tried to add civil liberties protections to the bill, you got a few in but were forced to vote before you could get more in. You then voted FOR the bill which you knew did not adequately protect civil liberties. How does this put you in a better position to fix it? If you knew the bill was flawed why vote for it? Particularly since it was apparent the bill would pass anyways - what is lost by voting against it? Instead you voted for a bill which you admit to knowing violates civil liberties and in turn have severely pissed off a lot of people who want to support you. I'm no big-shot politician so maybe I'm missing something, I really do not follow the logic.
          •  Sen Boxer, PLEASE answer that reasonable question (3.00)
            that so many of us are asking.  

            Just tell us the logic you and your colleagues are using when you vote against civil liberties and for war funding.  Is your primary motive avoiding a future attack ad - "Senator Boxer hates national security and the troops?"  Is that truly more important to you than your oath to defend the constitution, and your duty to end funding for an illegal war that makes us all less safe?

            If those are your priorities, you and most of your colleagues sadly don't deserve to hold office.

            What ever happened to abstaining, or voting your conscience and making your voice heard even when your colleagues oppose you?

            Please - there probably millions of us who would love a straight answer to this one from someone we want to respect.

        •  What improvements were made? (none)
          Please tell me what improvements were made to the Patriot Act?

          Why did other senators see fit to vote against it, but not yourself?

          I want to be won over, btw.

          "Fog everywhere."

          by Valtin on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:23:13 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  When ? (none)
          Califonia Resident
        •  I don't understand your reasoning. (3.75)
          You would not be in a position to fix it if you hadn't voted for it?  Either way, it passed.  Either way, it needs fixing.

          Well, it needs to be repealed is what it needs.  "Some improvements" just aren't good enough.  

          With all due respect, Senator Boxer, I simply cannot understand your vote.  I just can't.  And I can't be anything but completely appalled by it.   I don't expect anything better from the Republicans.  I don't expect anything better from DINOs like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and my own state's Maria Cantwell.

          But -- and I say this because I admire and respect you, and always have -- I expect better from you.

        •  I thank Russ Feingold (3.93)
          Patty Murray, Jim Jeffords, Robert Byrd,Daniel Akaka, Jeff Bingaman, Tom Harkin, Patrick Leahy, Carl Levin and Ron Wyden for voting against the reauthorization of the Patriot Act. If America is to be America, certain things must be non-negotiable. I'm sorry Barbara Boxer that you failed to recognize this. Hopefuly you'll come around, though on this crucial vote it's too late and your vote dramatically advances the agenda of those who are in the process of transforming America into an authoritarian state free of inconveniences to tyrannts like a Bill of Rights.

          And I like you. It really pains me to see your name on the wrong list.

          What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? unknown

          by moon in the house of moe on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:36:39 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Voting for Patriot Act: Why Support Bush At All??? (4.00)
          That's not good enough.

          You are our representative. We depend on you. It is your SWORN JOB to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

          The so called "Patriot Act" makes citizens less safe, and compromises the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

          I am appalled -- and I called to let you know this when the vote happened -- appalled that you would vote in favor of this trash.

          Don't you remember Kerry being mocked for "voting for before he voted against?"

          Did your Beltway advisors suggest this vote of yours?

          Your vote let us down, Barbara Boxer.

        •  Senator Boxer (4.00)
          This looks fishy to me.
          I'll give you until November to "fix it".
          Then, I'm voting for whoever is against the war AND the Patriot Act!
          •  Smells (4.00)
            a little fishy too. Political posturing, appear to be doing more than you really are seems to be the norm. The long list of crimes this administration has perpetuated on the American public still needs to be addressed. Yet we continue to see the subordination of Dems in congress to the Republican agenda. I am getting tired of the lame excuses. I want an opposition party that speaks to the needs of  Americans and will present a united stand against the fascist policies that have taken over the Republican Party. The go along to get along will not suffice any longer. Lip service and posturing are transparent. Whether it be the wiretaps, Patriot Act, port security, bankruptcy, or justice confirmations, will there ever be a united Democratic Party stand? The time is now.

            "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Thomas Jefferson

            by llih on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:02:12 PM PST

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        •  Your answer sounds like a (none)
          "I voted for it before I voted against it."  With all due respect, I'm not buying it.  Why YOU would support ANYTHING coming out of this administration is beyond me.  We can't freakin regulate crooks in Washington, looting our treasury, selling our jobs and out country overseas, but boy - can you guys regulate the hell out of us including violating my constitutional rights.  No Senator Boxer, you need a better answer than that for me.  Levin and Conyers are always on the right side.  You usually are.  I am very disappointed in you.

          Dean speaks for me!

          by dkmich on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 02:43:15 AM PST

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        •  I am at loss (none)
          as to why any exponent of civil and human rights would even vote for something called the PATRIOT act. But then again, I'm not American..
      •  I think (4.00)
        A lot of us would like to know this.
        I am not a resident of California, Im from Texas - but Senator Boxer, you have always been one of the few senators that had my respect and admiration... until your decision not to fight the patriot act.
        Can you restore some of our faith?

        "And only the weak would revenge themselves. The strong of soul forgive, and it is honor in the injured to forgive." Jesus Christ's Sermon on The Mount

        by geminiartist71 on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:11:33 PM PST

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      •  Boxer's reply to my e-mail to her on Patriot Act (4.00)
        Dear Friend:

            Thank you for contacting me regarding reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act. I appreciate the opportunity to respond to your concerns.
            I voted for the conference report on the Patriot Act because on balance I believe this is necessary legislation to give our law enforcement officials the tools they need to protect the American people from terrorist attacks. Before the Patriot Act, various law enforcement agencies did not have the ability to share information and work together, and this was a vulnerability that needed to be fixed after 9/11.
            But this was a difficult decision. The bill had flaws, and two in particular concern me the most - the so-called "sneak and peek" and library search provisions. Given my concerns about these provisions, I voted for every opportunity to make further improvements to the bill.  
            Ultimately I believe that by voting for the conference report I will be in a stronger position to help improve the Patriot Act in the future, working with Judiciary Committee Chairman Specter, Ranking Member Leahy and Senators Feingold and Sununu.
            Thank you again for contacting me. Please be assured that I will keep working to protect both our security and the civil rights that define our freedom.

        Barbara Boxer
        United States Senator


        I'm sorry, Senator Boxer, but I do not accept your reasoning. I do not understand how voting for the current Patriot Act puts you "in a stronger postiion to help improve" it.

        I also regret that this subject may appear to hijack this thread, and I have and do strongly support you on trying to get the U.S. out of Iraq. However, I think you inadvertently play into the Administration playbook by suggesting that we need an exit strategy for a possible Iraq Civil War.

        The civil war you fear has already arrived, Sen. Boxer. How about stopping all Senate business until this matter is addressed and settled? That would get the country's attention, and show the seriousness of the situation.

        Oh, and please revoke your position on the Patriot Act. I'm a health care provider, and I'll go to jail before handing over my records without notifying my patients (current Patriot Act law). What will YOU do?

        "Fog everywhere."

        by Valtin on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:19:42 PM PST

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        •  I'm not sure about this, but isn't there a rule (none)
          that says a Senator can only bring up a bill for revision if they have voted FOR it? Something like that, anyway.
        •  1 (4.00)
          I do not understand how voting for the current Patriot Act puts you "in a stronger postiion to help improve" it.

          Well, she just explained it:

          I will be in a stronger position to help improve the Patriot Act in the future, working with Judiciary Committee Chairman Specter, Ranking Member Leahy and Senators Feingold and Sununu.

          These folks are much more likely to work with -- including cosigning -- someone who voted for the act than someone who didn't.

          How about stopping all Senate business until this matter is addressed and settled?

          Barbara Boxer doesn't have the power to stop all Senate business, even if she wanted to.

          What will YOU do?

          It really doesn't advance our interests to be rude to one of the most progressive and activist members of the Senate.

          "The best is the enemy of the good." -- Voltaire

        •  Same Weak letter (4.00)
          In my mailbox today to. I have only one response,  SHAME on you.Shame.

          -8.63 -7.28 When Bush is in your face, may the wind be at your back.

          by OneCrankyDom on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 09:38:37 PM PST

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      •  Thats what we all want to know (3.86)
        Senator, we are tired of waiting for leaders to look at the polls to decide what their ideas are.

        You ought to have enough sense to know the Patriot Act is a very dangerous change of direction for an America that wants to be the land of the brave and the home of the free.

        We don't want judges without good judgement and without a strong moral compass and without the ability to tell right from wrong being allowed to strip us of our bill of rights.

        All we ask you is that you take a stand against this corrupt incompetent administration. Block every single thing they want to do because they haven't come up with a single good idea yet.

        Do not cave, do not show weakness, do not compromise. You may lose, but stand there until you have left a little blood behind so we can see where you stood.

        We expect you understand that this is a constitutional crisis, and every accomodation with the people who are attacking our constitution is viewed here as to put the best possible face on it, treason.

        Just say NO, or better HELL NO.

        I don't want this government to protect anything for me except my civil rights. I want us to get out of Iraq and bring our troops home. Let the Iraqis we want to remain in control get the credit for chasing us out. That will give them the credibility they need to rule.

        Let the people of Iraq nationalize Halliburtons assets in place in their country. Let Iraqi's fix their infrastructure with Iraqi engineers that speak their language and they will get the job done.

        Get rid of the warrantless surveillance and data mining. Get rid of the Patriot Act. Do not let them sell off our ports and manufacturing and communications and transportation and energy resources to foreign corporations. Do not allow holding without Habeas, Kidnapping, torture, murder and abuse of powers.

        So much as is possible try and put things back the way they were before this disastrous tyranny ursurped power. By the way, do something about Diebold voting machines and pass some laws to make the media a little more responsible to the people.

        After we take back the Congress in nine months we expect you to impeach Bush - Cheney for their crimes and then to hand them over for their  international war crimes trials.

        Then we expect Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the house to become President and establish a new cabinet.

        We need to increase the number of Supreme Court Judges by two to eleven because its been a long time since we increased their number from seven to nine and they have a lot of work to do.

        Then we expect Congress to focus on fixing the levees, Health and Human Services, restoring Medicaid and Medicare, Social Security and Education.

        We also expect you to put the crooks like Halliburton and the Oil companies that have looted our treasuries in jail and confiscate their assets. take the fat cats Texas ranches and give their lands back to our wilderness heritage.

        We can stop fighting WWII now. We don't need Cold war weapons to hunt down Osama bin Ladin and guys armed with box cutters and zodiacs, that makes us look stupid.

        What we should do is beat our swords into plow shares and use our defense industry to defend us against the threat of global warming.

        We have just about run out of clean fossil fuels and the Chinese who have as many cars on the road as we do now already have run out.

        Foreign countries hold close to a trillion dollars of our debt so we need to think balance the budget, wean ourselves off the automobile, work for sustainable architecture and develop photovoltaics which are already being used for power on hospital projects in MA.

        When you get that done come back here and we'll tell you what we need done next.

        Live Free or Die (-8.88 -9.49) IMPEACH

        by rktect on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:58:16 PM PST

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        •  I wish (none)
          I could give you a 10 for that post! Eloquent and right on target!
        •  Right on (none)
          very good post, I think our Representatives and Senators forget who put them there.  It is WE THE PEOPLE.  
        •  If I might add to this excellent to-do list: (4.00)
          Repeal NAFTA and CAFTA, and re-establish a tariff system that benefits businesses (and, more importantly, workers) in the US -- or at the very least levels the playing field.  Stop making it so easy for US-based corporations to export jobs overseas.  Penalize (financially, of course) the ones that do.

          Repeal the bankruptcy bill.  Stop pauperizing the American working class.

          Get rid of every single tax break the Republicans have ever given to wealthy individuals and corporations.  

          Get rid of corporate welfare.  Let the corporations sink or swim based on the value of the goods and services they provide.  Period.

          Speaking of corporations, stop treating them like they are people, with all of the rights of individuals.  When corporations commit crimes, their charters should be revoked.

          Get rid of the Department of Homeland Security.  It doesn't work.  Our homeland security apparatus was working just fine, pre-9/11.  This Administration was given all the warning it needed to prevent that attack from happening.  They simply chose to allow it to happen anyway.

          Get rid of John Negroponte and this National Director of Intelligence job they created for him.

          Get rid of the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives.  Separation of church and state, remember?

          Fix FEMA.  Get James Lee Witt back and make his job a Cabinet-level position.

          Women's reproductive rights.  Hello, we're losing them.  'Nuff said.

          Take back all of the power the pResident has usurped.  Do whatever it takes to ensure that no President can ever do what this one has done.

          Which leads me to what is probably the first, most important, cornerstone of all desperately-needed reforms:  voting and campaign finance.  Until we stop the privatization of the voting process, until we make it impossible for the voting process to be controlled by partisan Secretaries of State (yes, Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell, I'm talking about you); until we absolutely know that every voted is counted, and counted fairly and accurately, this republic is doomed.  Until we make it impossible for money to purchase access and influence, until we put the lobbyists out of business, until we make our elected representatives accountable to the voters, and only to the voters, this republic is doomed.

          It's discouraging, to think about how many years of hard work it would take to undo the damage done to this country just in the past five years, not to mention the damage done by Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton.  (Yes, Clinton.  Remember NAFTA?)  It'll take decades, probably.

          But it has to be done, or we might as well put a new motto on our flag:  

          The American Republic, 1776-2006.  RIP.

    •  Madam President (none)

      I'll sign.

      Big fan (16) in NEW HAMPSHIRE -- currently reading "A Time to Run" ... I'll be voting for the first time in the '08 primaries...

      Will you please CONSIDER a run?


    •  I am proud to have you... (2.50) my Senator!  Very proud.
    •  Senator, We Are Your Constituants (4.00)
      I'm glad to see you posting here.

      I do hope you realize that we are your people -- literally your constituants, many of us, but also in the larger sense we are the passionate progressives whose support of the Democratic Party can make the difference, if you can bear to ignore the Beltway crowd that would like to marginalize your strongest supporters.

      I hope you realize we are a great deal better informed of the facts than most people -- because we're the ones who make the effort. We don't just learn the ten second soundbyte from Fox -- we're the ones who follow the issues so closely that we know what each side including the international press says about the issues, and we carefully follow the best analyses we can find.

      You must understand that we can help you, if you'll only trust us. Please remember that we're the thought leaders who have been protesting the wrongs of the Bush administration since day one -- and the fact that the rest of the country is now with us should teach you that we do know what we're talking about, even when Mr. Bush says "mission accomplished."

      Senator Boxer -- Listen to us. Ask us for support when you need it. Please try to understand just how much we can do for you. And please, realize that Mr. Conyers is right -- we aren't the cash cow, we're the ones who care so much about this country that we're willing to be mocked and told we're traitors for standing up and saying that Mr. Bush Has No Clothes.

      Case in Point: The Republicans Have Lost The War.

      ABC, today:
      "BAGHDAD, March 5, 2006 -- As Pentagon generals offered optimistic assessments that the sectarian violence in Iraq had dissipated this weekend, other military experts told ABC News that Sunni and Shiite groups in Iraq already are engaged in a civil war, and that the Iraqi government and U.S. military had better accept that fact and adapt accordingly.

      "We're in a civil war now; it's just that not everybody's joined in," said retired Army Maj. Gen. William L. Nash, a former military commander in Bosnia-Herzegovina. "The failure to understand that the civil war is already taking place, just not necessarily at the maximum level, means that our counter measures are inadequate and therefore dangerous to our long-term interest."

  •  A proud constituent (none)
    Thanks you Senator...

    But I never cease to be completely pessimistic when it comes to this administration EVER taking responsibility for ANYTHING!!

    •  Thank you (3.66)
      I want to thank you, Heather, and all of you for your positive comments and support.  I really appreciate it.

      Let's keep fighting.


      •  unproductive? (none)
        I don't know why someone felt your reply should be dow-rated. It's good you've taken the time to make some.

        Any room on the petition for concerned Canadians, btw? I swore that i wouldn't step foot back in the States until these bums are thrown out (now, if i could only quit smoking).

        -7.00,-7.74 "He is a bad version of us! No more money for him."

        by subtropolis on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 12:52:47 AM PST

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  •  Senator... (none)
    ... thank you for all of your efforts.

    Petition signed.

    We shall fight them on the internets. We shall fight in the Starbucks, and in the streets, we shall fight them on the Hill. We shall never surrender!

    by bhlogger on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:41:49 PM PST

  •  Don't Stop Trying, Senator, (3.62)
    but I wouldn't expect this criminal administration to offer transparency ever.

    They have assumed dictatorial powers, and are unwilling to answer to anyone.

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:41:56 PM PST

    •  We have to keep trying (3.84)
      We know that the Bush Administration will do anything to run this country without regard for the Congress -- and frankly the American people.

      But we have to keep letting them know that we're not giving up on pushing for what's right for our country and for our men and women in uniform, who are in harm's way without any exit strategy whatsoever.

      Still we haven't heard about any plan to evacuate them in the case of full-blown civil war, even though I wrote him a letter on February 23rd, and we haven't gotten an answer back.

      That's why we need your help -- because he won't answer a letter from a Senator from the largest state of the Union.  With your involvement and participation, hopefully he'll pay attention.

      •  Please keep trying (3.40)
        We're behind you, Senator.  Please try to pin SecDef to the wall on the question of those permanent bases, which have all the earmarks of future Dien Bien Phu's in that worst case scenario which keeps materializing.

        From a past Marinite, from the days when you were a supervisor, best wishes and greatest admiration.

        -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

        by Dallasdoc on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:09:53 PM PST

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      •  Thanks Senator (3.50)
        We are behind you 110%.
      •  Senator Frist must be reigned in (4.00)
        I would like to know what can be done to stop Senator Frist from changing the "rules" to keep for investigating the NSA spying. There musst be something that the other Senators can do. I think it is important for everyone to work to get rid of those in Congress who refuse to follow the Constitution and are acting as bullies.  
        •  Amen (none)
          I sent several requests to the media to cover Frist's latest rule change chicanery to avoid the investigation into Bush's illegal wiretapping.  Also, I got a letter from the Remote Diagnostic Doc today in response to my request that the Senate investigate Bush's pre-war mis-intelligence which led us into this immoral war in Iraq.  I got the same old lies:  the Congress had the SAME intelligence as the President; the Congress already thorougly investigated the pre-war intelligence and found no wrong doing on the part of the President.  Blah blah blah...

          ...and they passed in thought out to regions where pain and delight flow together and tears are the very wine of blessedness.

          by rlharry on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 06:46:32 PM PST

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      •  as a constituent and an admirer (4.00)
        - i saw you speak in davis last election cycle at the mike machado rally - i think you might be placing too much faith in our ability to make a dent in this administration through conventional political tactics. they simply will not listen to either reason or democratic please to change course, and have not from the get-go, and it is time for us as a party to realize that a change in tactics is necessary if we are to have any real effect on the direction that this country is going in.

        if we are going to force their hand, and do what is right for the troops and the security of this nation, we are going to have to get more creative and a whole lot less collegial. if rumsfeld does not give you your plan - and he won't - you can't just shrug our shoulders and speak harshly to the sunday cable TV shows and leave it at that. we need to make noncompliance painfiul for them, one way or another. shut the senate down, if need be.

        our political system has cerased to function as intended. the senate is going to have to reign caesar in, because he will not heel on his own.

        crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

        by wu ming on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:49:19 PM PST

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      •  Sen Boxer (none)
        Thank you as always for posting here. I have to tell you though, you are more optimitic than this comstituent. Bush doesn't listen to you what makes you think he will ever listen to us? How many times has the distinguished John Conyers been pushed down into the basement of the Capitol for hearings that no Republicans even bother to show up for? Did the petition he marched over to the White House gates ever even get looked at? Remeber Senator, Bush doesn't pay attention to polls. This idiot is hell bent on ripping apart our country, the Constitution all for greed and power. Can they be stopped? Look what they are trying to do to journalists that blow the whistle on their illegal scams. Let's be honest here Senator. No one on the Dems side of the aisle can change the direction these Fascists have taken us into the depths of hell. I want my country back. I want my Dem leaders to stand up and yell, We are sick and tired and are not going to take it anymore. I want all of you in the halls of congress to stop voting for bills that are taking away our civil liberties.

        Frodo failed....Bush has got the ring!

        by Alohaleezy on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 07:14:33 AM PST

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  •  Thanks Senator Boxer (none)
    I'll sign it and hope for some coverage from the trained poodles that are our media.

    How many failures by this president will it take to wake up the R(ubberstamp)s in the Senate.  Is it going to take a lopsided victory this fall to let them know that "business as ususal" isn't anymore?

    Thanks again for your high profile on this.

    A very satisfied constituent

    He who gives up liberty in exchange for security is deserving of neither

    by joby on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:43:35 PM PST

  •  Senator... (none)
    ... Chaos in the Middle East is their plan. It gives them a reason other than oil to keep troops in the region.


  •  Barbara, you rock. (3.25)
    Keep up the good've more cajones than the entire flock of GOP chickenhawks put together...I'm always proud having you as my Senator.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right

    by darthstar on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:43:50 PM PST

  •  Couldn't possibly agree with you more... (3.25)
    ...and if he refuses to provide such a plan, can the Senate move to withdraw their confirmation of a Cabinet member?   Because Donald Rumsfeld has been at the epicenter of so many failures of our civilian leadership of our armed forces, I think there is an excellent case to be assembled for his removal as Defense Secretary.  Gen. Eric Shinseki and Gen. Gary Harrell could both tell quite a tale of the failures of the Pentagon and CENTCOM during Operation Enduring Freedom, and have told much of it already.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:43:52 PM PST

    •  Rumsfeld (3.25)
      Unfortunately, we can't remove Secretary Rumsfeld once he's been confirmed.  But by keeping the pressure on, we can try to compel President Bush to look elsewhere for a new Defense Secretary.


      •  but as a 'civil officer' he can be impeached (4.00)

        CIVIL OFFICER - The Constitution of the United States, Art. 2, S. 4, provides, that the president, vice-president, and civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. By this term are included all officers of the United States who hold their appointments under the national government, whether their duties are executive or judicial, in the highest or the lowest departments of the government, with the exception of officers of the army and navy. A senator of the United States, it was once decided, was not a civil officer, within the meaning of this clause in the Constitution.
        •  <snap> (none)

          Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

          by MarketTrustee on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:39:39 PM PST

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        •  Inexcusable ignorance (none)
          You'd think the very act of confirmation would provide a clue as to the Senate's reach in this matter... Facts and clues, these must be things that only the "unhinged" concern themselves with in America anymore.

          For the record, William Belknap, a Secretary of War was impeached in 1876 - according to

          I just don't think anyone should be allowed to remain in office if they don't even know the basics of their duties to this country and our Constitution.  What used to be common sense - know your damned job - apparently needs legislation to guarantee for this public.


          The soul that is within me no man can degrade. - Frederick Douglass

          by Kimberley on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 11:39:01 PM PST

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        •  See some of (none)
          us do our homework.  We cannot afford to have these criminals in office another 3 years, America is unrecognizable right now.
      •  Yes we can remove Rumsfeld (none)
        First we take back the Congress in 2006
        The House then impeaches Bush - Cheney
        Nancy Pelosi then becomes President
        President Pelosi will naturally want to select her own cabinet.

        I would expect Congress understands it needs to undo everything this administration has and that includes firing everyone it has hired and recovering the money it has wasted.

        Live Free or Die (-8.88 -9.49) IMPEACH

        by rktect on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 05:46:19 AM PST

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  •  I recommended your diary, (4.00)
    but I'm really upset with your vote on the Patriot Act. Why couldn't you stand with Senator Feingold?
    •  Yeah, me too (4.00)
      ALL of you Dems that voted for the UN- Patriot Act failed in your duties to PROTECT AMERICA and HER CITIZENS.  You SHOULD HAVE STOOD WITH RUSS.  This won't be forgotten.

      The USA PATRIOT Act is UNCONSTITUTIONAL (not to mention immoral) and is the FIRST STEP to establishing a Police State.

      Senator, we Dems are TIRED of the same ol, same ol'- the Democratic Party better realize this.  It's WAY past time to ditch "polite respect for those on the other side of the aisle", Senator.  From "Boyz in the Hood":  "Rule one:  NEVER respect anyone that doesn't respect you back."  And Dems ain't getting NO RESPECT from the other side of the aisle.

      Dems need to SPEAK UP, OFTEN, AND LOUDLY- TRUTH IS ON OUR SIDE.  Nothing less will be acceptable.  FEINGOLD needs to be Minority Leader, Reid simply doesn't have the, well, balls.  He's totally ineffective, and the Average Joe Dem is NOT happy with his "leadership".  He's SO ineffective, in fact, one wonders about his TRUE motives- are they ONLY to keep his job for just a little longer?  That is a LOSING STRATEGY, make no mistake about it.  RUSS will lead the Democratic Party to victory, Reid "leads" ever-downward.


      Signed the petition, btw...

      The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes. --Thomas Paine

      by Citizen J on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:11:14 PM PST

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      •  The constitution (4.00)
        Even if I believed that somehow history could be changed and that voting for an bill somehow does put you in a better position to say it was a bad bill and now here is why it should be fixed I keep getting stuck on the part that the Patriot Act seems to me to be unconstitutional. If there is a long history of that(voting for it helps you be agaist it) I would be happy to be educated.

        I'm in the crowd(however small) that thinks even if it is a minority position to defend the Constitution of the United States of America it is what every senator took an oath to do and  it is the right position.  I see the Patriot Act vote as one of those votes that you are either with the Constitution or you are against it.

        But hey, I'm a bit of a sucker for America.  I get the chills on my neck when the congress is sworn in. I have the School House Rocks Declaration of Independence song on my I-Pod, I have the Bill of Right framed at my house hanging next to the Beatitudes and I almost always get a little emotional when I hear Martin Sexton's version of America the Beautiful.

        I'm not blood thirsty angry about the vote.  I'm just really disapointed.

        Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

        by strengthof10kmen on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:22:32 PM PST

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    •  Senator, please answer this question (4.00)
      Respectfully, Senator Boxer, I am truly grateful for all you've done.  But, I, too, want to know why 3 Democrats voted against the Patriot Act and you weren't one of them.  Is it because you all are afraid of being seen as soft on national security with the midterms coming up?  

      Seriously Senator, you all need to cultivate some unity and stand up to these bastards who are assaulting our precious democracy.  My jaw hung open for two days when I saw that Russ Feingold was practically all by his lonesome in this fight.

      Do you plan to 'fix it' once we're in the majority again, or what?

    •  PATRIOT Act (2.50)
      I appreciate your concern, and I share your concern.  We need to keep working to improve provisions in the PATRIOT Act to protect civil liberties -- and I intend to do just that.

      See for more of my response.


      •  the patriot act (4.00)
        is a 342 page document. what more could you add? how ever could one improve its provisions, its overweening taxonomy of civil "protections" except editing it?

        come on. if any voter ever read the damn thing through  heads would explode.

        Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

        by MarketTrustee on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:35:01 PM PST

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  •  A petition? (4.00)
    All due respect, Senator, but I signed one of John Kerry's petitions after Abu Ghraib broke in spring 2004 asking for Rumsfeld to be fired.

    Two years later, and now we're asking for him for a plan?

    It seems to me a petition is a tool better suited for gathering emails for a mailing list than for effecting policy or exerting pressure on this Administration.

    Keep up the pressure, where it counts and where it can matter.

    •  Why this petition is important (3.78)
      This Administration doesn't respond to the Congress.  As Dick Cheney said, he wants to move power back to the Executive Branch.  

      I truly believe that, with the power of thousands of signatures behind me, I can force this Administration to face the reality, which is the possibility of an all-out disaster for our troops if they get caught in the crossfire of a civil war.

      We all wanted Rumsfeld gone a long time ago -- but he's there.  So are we to ignore him, or confront him?  I'd rather confront him than ignore him.


      •  What power? (4.00)
        I truly believe that, with the power of thousands of signatures behind me

        What power?  You say that as if it actually impacts these guys.  Does anyone still believe they gie a damn one way or the other about what we think?  Have we seen ANYTHING to make us feel they care?  He's running at 37% and still doing more and more everyday.  A few thousand signatures are going to stop it?  

        Please...PLEASE make me believe I'm wrong here.  I don't like being this cynical!  

        •  so true (none)
          Remember that this is a President who, when asked for his reaction to the massive worldwide protests against the invasion of Iraq, responds to the effect of "I don't make decisions based on polls or focus groups".

          Bush doesn't give a damn what his poll numbers are. As long as he has the support of the Republicans in Congress (and the compliance of the Democrats in the Senate, who have refused to organize a filibuster on anything significant), he's going to govern as if he has a universal mandate.

        •  I think with your one (4.00)
          vote(you already represent the entire population of the state of California, pop 33,871,648)to not give unanaimous consent and slow the whole senate down you have more much more power to show them you are serious or we are to be taken seriously than if you bring then another petition signed by a bunch "crazy liberals"

          You were elected to represent 33,871,648 people. (more than 1 in 10 Americans) How many more do you need before you can demand they take you seriously?

          Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

          by strengthof10kmen on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:48:45 PM PST

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      •  I am sorry senator (4.00)
        But we can't do anything to change that as long as a Republican owned private Company is in charge of counting our votes. If our votes don't count, how does a petition even matter to anyone up there in DC? We have no voice of change because our votes don't count. As long as you don't make a stand against what our own Secretary of State is doing back here at home in our state of California, all of these petitions are meaningless because the Republican Party already knows that they can make the vote count come out however they want. By not standing against your own secretary of state you are insuring that your own voice isn't heared in DC.

        Participate in the CITIZENS GOVT REFORM ACTwe need your help!

        by irishamerican on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:22:30 PM PST

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      •  I'll believe you, Sen. Boxer, when... (4.00)
        ... you lead a column of citizens, thousands strong, with their petition to personally deliver it to the White House.

        The mobilization of the populace is what has always moved history, Sen. Boxer, and you know that. NO PETITION CAMPAIGN HAS EVER STOPPED A WAR OR A BATTLE!

        The Democratic Party seems to fear the mobilization of the citizenry, unless it's to get them out on Election Day.

        I am a constituent, Sen. Boxer, and even reside in your home county (although I heard you moved). I can tell you that back in Marin/SF, there are many, many people who feel the way I do. I used to feel alone in my radicalism. Now I hear people mumbling about possible revolution. Now, what's that about??

        "Fog everywhere."

        by Valtin on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:30:04 PM PST

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      •  As a constituent... (4.00)
        "This Administration doesn't respond to the Congress."

        With all due respect, it is therefore the job of all Senators and Representatives to check that power. The power to demand a response by the administration is in your control - you can, even in the minority, grind this nation to a halt until a reasonable set of checks is initiated. I would argue that we have now reached the point where it is necessary.

        An administration that is employing a domestic spying program that is of questionable legality should not be granted the kind of power present in the Patriot Act. Even if you feel that the Patriot Act itself is reasonable, this administration has not demonstrated that it can be trusted with that kind of authority. There needs to some balance to the NSA spying program - not an enabling of more abuses. There are a number of independent investigations that the public deserves to have initiated as you well know and I think that many would argue that an administration resistive to transparency is one that cannot be trusted. That has been the downfall of many Democratic administrations as well.

        I agree with your petition and am proud to sign it, and am proud of my Senators, but seriously, the time has come for the gloves to come off and for our elected officials to truly stand up for what is right.

      •  Sen. Boxer, (4.00)
        Thanks for your response. I appreciate it and take it at face value.

        However, I am sure you know that "the power of thousands of signatures" is less than minimal in this case. And that "confronting" Rumsfeld in this manner is merely symbolic and won't change a thing.

        We need to find more effective ways of defining and accomplishing our goals. In this case, the goal cannot realistically be to convince Rumsfeld to resign, or to convince him of the error of his ways.

        An actual and reachable goal is to win back control of one or both houses of Congress, to have committee chairmanships and subpoena power with which Democrats can help to hold the Administration accountable.

        How do we do this? I agree with James Carville and Stan Greenberg (pdf). We need to nationalize the election around Bush. We need to link the crimes, as well as the criminal negligence and incompetence, of figures like Rumsfeld to the Republican party before November.

        Petitions like this, in my opinion, do not help accomplish this goal. They just confuse the issue in a way that comes off as pandering to the rank and file.

        As a party, we need to first define our political goals clearly and then talk honestly about how we will accomplish them.

      •  This administration (none)
        desires to ignore Rumsfeld and everyone else in their path.  Senator Boxer you talk about power of the number of signatures, do you really think they care about the number of signatures you get to oppose them?  They just IGNORE us, and keep on with their quest of the PNAC agenda.
  •  Senator Boxer! (3.72)
    You're the best.  Thank you for everything you do.

    I have this fantasy...

    In my fantasy, you and a few like-minded colleagues in the Senate are so outraged that John Bolton would dare to threaten Iran with military action that you demand he appear on Capital Hill to explain himself.  During his testimony, you are brilliant and--rather than following normal procedures, you use your time to insist that Bolton's temporary appointment be immediately terminated, proposing a list of fine Republican and Democratic candidates instead.  In this fantasy, you are so good in this special hearing, that you force Bolton to loose his cool on national television--producing a sound bite that gets repeated over and over again for a week.  In the media frenzy that follows (still in my fantasy), you say that "John Bolton is no diplomat.  He uses his mouth to shoot our allies in the face rather than to build alliances.  He must be removed from the United Nations before he drags us into another war in the Middle East."  Bolton resigns.  The Democrats take back the House.  Iran backs down. (end of fantasy).

    Senator Boxer!  Please make my fantasty come true...

    •  Bolton (3.66)
      Your fantasy is not that much of a fantasy.  Unfortunately, it won't take much for John Bolton to do the wrong thing.


      •  ... Bolton (4.00)
        And I look forward to having come before the Foreign Relations Committee, where I will meet him head on as usual.


        •  You're a star (none)
          Thanks again.
          •  On the subject of framing... (4.00)
            With our resident expert here to consult, I have some qualms about how this petition is framed.  There are two central problems I see: 1) it presumes that this administration is an (at least marginally) honest broker, interested in and capable of reaching an understanding and agreement to address the concerns of the 60+% of the country that is opposed to their policies and performance.  2) It also presumes that, once such an agreement is made, that the administration would be capable of giving effect to that agreement, depsite their rank incompetence in virtually all aspects of the job of governing.  In effect, it cedes the Democrats two most potent critiques of this administration: that they lie and that they are incompetent.  

            People haven't grown disgusted with their foreign policy--most voters and almost all non-voters do not see themselves as equipped with the knowledge and information to second guess the Administration's particular policy positions.  Instead, they are frustrated with the evidence of the administration's frequent habits of dishonesty and error.  Think of all the moments in the last year that have wounded this administration--Soc. Security, Schiavo, Plame, Katrina, Fitzmas, and now, slowly, wire-tapping. The problem is not that they had no plans.  The problem is that their plans have been revealed as dangerously ill-conceived and ill-managed, and usually coupled with a seizing of any opportunity to restrict the public's right to know, or the oversight of another branch of government.  

            In fact, I think the Pat Tillman investigation is, in many ways, a much better use of the public's political scandal bandwidth.  Tillman's death is a much more digestable story that directly hits these themes of imcompetence and lying, and with real, heart-breaking victims in Tillman's family who are saying to major media sources of their own initiative that the Bush administration used their son's death to benefit politically.  They're essentially Cindy Sheehan but with even better questions for the administration, and without the Hugo Chavez and Israel-baiting side effects.  

            I respect the Senator's fighting spirit and her faith that eventually the public outrage with this war might force a change.  I think it's important to be on record at these points in time in opposition.  But we know these people by now.  They will rally their screeching monkeys on AM radio and cable news to shout down criticism and will maintain that we are out of touch, they know better, and things are going swimmingly in Iraq.  There are two ways around this problem as Democrats trying to lead and press for change--do like Murtha and propose an alternative course and hope that course will eventually win favor decisively in public opinion, or attack their vulnerabilities and further weaken them, thereby strengthening your relative position in the debate.  Calling on them to do their jobs just seems fanciful at this point.  They've gotten away with dishonest, incompetent performance for over five years now; they won't stop because Barbara Boxer and a hundred thousand lefties tell them to.

        •  Bolton (4.00)
          Bolton lied to the Senate, which is illegal.  Has everybody forgotten about pursuing this angle?

          Proud to be represented by you here in CA, Senator!

          •  PS: (4.00)
            Although I still do not understand your reasoning behind the signing of the Patriot Act.
          •  Gonzales, too (none)
            Of course, Powell lied before the U.N., the President lied in the State of the Union, Cheney lied in dozens of speeches to Americans...

            I respect Sen. Boxer, and I know she cannot fix all of the problems this administration has brought to us. I sincerely wish she could get her colleagues unified to fight the corruption and lies. It is just inexcusable to me that both Bolton and Gonales lied to the Seenate, and our Senators have not demanded an investigation.

            I remember a time when our President was the leader of the free world. ****** Repeat after me: "Neoconservatism has failed America."

            by land of the free on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 06:48:23 AM PST

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        •  Bolton keeps on keeping on (none)
          with his agenda, he is there to dismantle the United Nations, he already proclaimed his disdain for the UN already.  This man is truly a bully, Iran is next on the list. This is just shameful what they are doing to America and our standing in the world, our reputation is nothing right now.
  •  Plan? (none)
    I swear this administration is delusional and arrogant enough to whip out Nixon's old "Secret Plan" nonsense. Thanks again for all your good work Senator.

    The lesson of that history is that you must not despair, that if you are right, and you persist, things will change. -Howard Zinn

    by blueyedace2 on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:49:23 PM PST

  •  We love Senator Boxer!! (none)
  •  Senator Boxer - (4.00)
    I will thank you for your efforts, and I have signed your petition, but what I'd really like to know:

    How in blazes can you keep fighting?  Where is the energy coming from?  My own Senator Feingold, who I cherish as my state Senator, has fought battle after battle along with you, all of them on the losing end.

    All of my strength these days goes toward staying just a little bit hopeful, just a little bit optimistic, that this Republican nightmare will end.  That the Republican office holders will see the light, and do the job they were elected to do - serve our country, serve their constituents, instead of breaking law after law, civil liberty after civil liberty, all in support of the chief criminal in the White House.  

    A feeling of despair is settling in more often than it should.  You, Russ, and all the others in the Senate and House need to start screaming much, much louder.  

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 2300+ dead Americans. Jesus Christ, make it stop already.

    by Miss Blue on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:51:07 PM PST

    •  We can never despair (4.00)
      Miss Blue--

      We can never despair, ever, because this is our country, and we can never stop fighting for it, caring about it, and working to change it for the better.  That's our job.

      In 1787, after the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was asked whether we have a Republic or a Monarchy.  Franklin answered, "We've given you a Republic, if you can keep it."

      Well sadly, it looks like this George is taking us back towards a monarchy.  We're not going to let him.  We can't get tired and we can't lose hope.


      •  I agree...and (none)
        sometimes it's hard not to despair when, in spite of all our efforts, nothing seems to change and we're left feeling powerless.  Even after all that's gone down, we Democrats still do not have a consistent and unified message.  Why?
      •  Agreed, and... (none)
        It's quite funny how attacks critics as saying they are in a "Pre-9/11 Mindset". However, I'd rather be in a pre-9/11 mindset seeing as how George II seems to be in a pre-1776 mindset.

        For another question, assuming that you don't run yourself, do you have any top possibilities for who you would endorse for President in 2008?

      •  You said it all here, thank you. (none)
        I adore your Senator and I'm grateful to you  for your conviction in representing us.

        You Rock! I saw you in hearings, I was totally blown away by your courage.

        I wish all of our Representatives were more like you, alas, this is not the case.



      •  The fight for Democracy (none)
        As an observer from outside the US, it is a bit disheartening to watch this battle for democracy unfolds. After all the US was one of the first democracies in the world and your constitution a model for other new nations in Europe, my country Norway being one of them.  All I can say is good luck with your petition and let's hope for a new dawn for the Democratic Party in the upcoming elections.    

        On a more humoristic note:  maybe the US should consider becoming a monarchy after all, modelling their new system on the European monarchies, since the Monarchs over here are mere figureheads and have no real power vis-à-vis the democratically elected Parliament.  

  •  From a constituent, (none)
    let me say thanks for getting out front on this issue.  The longer Rumsfeld calls the shots, the more Iraqis and American servicemen will die needlessly.

    Visit and follow every 2006 Senate race.

    by AnthonySF on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 03:55:02 PM PST

  •  THANK YOU (none)
    ...for all your hard work on our behalf.

    Whereever you get that energy from -- it's contagious.  You -- and Governor Dean -- inspire me to hours and hours of work for Democratic causes and candidates.  Thanks for the courage that inspires us all.

    (And huge kudos to your staff members Adrienne Bousian and Brendan McCarthy - two really great people.)

  •  What Is the Dems' Plan? (4.00)
    Senator, what is the Democrats' plan for presenting a united front against the Bush administration on misleading our country into the Iraqi War and being totally inept, irresponsible and illegal in conducting the war?  A vast majority of Americans are against the war and want us to leave Iraq at some point in the near future.  Yet the only action we seem to see is individual actions from individual Democratic legislators, not a coordinated effort or a coordinated message.  I'm certainly glad that you are putting together this petition, but I would much rather see the entire Democratic Party acting together to fight for a sane and just strategy for dealing with the Iraq War.
    •  Democratic unity (4.00)
      You are right to call for unity against this war.  And we are making progress.  

      In December, we actually got 70+ votes calling on the Iraqis to stand up and take over their own defense, and 40 votes for a timeline for troop redeployment out of Iraq.  I won't rest until we get more votes.  And if I can get tens of thousands of signatures on this petition, we keep the pressure on all the Senators to put this war front and center.

      Rather than think about the politics of this now, I think that each of us should do whatever we can to demand accountability from this Administration.  And as the polls show, the people are beginning to see that at the minimum, the Democrats are not married to this war and all of us, bar none, seek an exit strategy.


      •  What a sad state of affairs.... (3.70)

        "And as the polls show, the people are beginning to see that at the minimum, the Democrats are not married to this war ...."

        This statement is deeply depressing to me. That the war was a glaring mistake was self-evident before we rolled into Iraq. Here we are three years, 2,300-plus service people dead, 30,000-plus Iraqis dead later, and Abu Ghraib, and all the leftmost leaders of the political opposition have to offer is we're "not married to this war?"


        For business reasons, I must preserve the outward sign of sanity.

        --Mark Twain

        by redglare on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:49:48 PM PST

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  •  Will Iraq become like Mogadishu? (4.00)
    Here's a Knight-Ridder story quoting Gary Hart on that possibility:

    Gary Hart said he thinks those troops are at serious risk. The Democratic ex-senator and onetime presidential candidate, a specialist on defense issues, talked about Iraq -- and, in his view, the benefits of troop withdrawals -- before a speech the other day at the National Constitution Center.

    "Our army is in danger," he said. "If all-out civil war breaks out, we could lose our army. If Sunnis and Shiites take to the streets by the thousands, it could literally be impossible to get [the soldiers] out. ... I know that sounds apocalyptic, but it's not out of the question. We need an exit strategy. We have no choice. We're making things worse. Ninety percent of the insurgents are Iraqis who don't like the fact that we have occupied their country. ...

    "I know we can't just pack up and leave right away, but we're still acting as if we hold all the cards over there. We don't. We're losing control of the situation. ... The British occupied Iraq for 35 years and finally had to leave because there was a constant insurgency against them. We haven't learned anything."

    •  I agree (4.00)
      That's why we need this petition to Rumsfeld to compel him to plan for the worst.


      •  Except that the Pentagon brass is in deep denial (4.00)
        Gen. Pace was on TV Sunday morning saying that things are going "very, very well" in Iraq.

        A petition can't hurt but can it break through this bizarre alternate reality that they have created?

      •  I want them all IMPEACHED! (4.00)
        Why can't the Dems come up with their own plan and show some unity.  Maybe then we can get more people behind us and get them all IMPEACHED!  Unless we impeach them we can get no redemption with the rest of the world.

        People everywhere hate America!

        The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

        by TXsharon on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:25:02 PM PST

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        •  Amen to that! (4.00)
          "Unless we impeach them we can get no redemption with the rest of the world."

          Expiation for Abu Ghraib, torture, secret camps, letting the place get looted, etc.

          "Fog everywhere."

          by Valtin on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:32:33 PM PST

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        •  I second that (4.00)
          What we can't do at the ballot box--yet--we should do via the legal and legislative process.

          And like I've proposed elsewhere here, we also need to start coming up with and proposing some plans of our own--ones that could actually work.

          And the voters will respect us for it.

          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

          by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:43:24 PM PST

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        •  I was just thinking that today! (none)
          Even if we do take back the majority in Congress, even if we eventually win back the presidency.

          None of it matters (in the biggest of all possible global pictures) if we don't impeach them all and force them to be held accountable for their actions--held accountable here and abroad.

          The only way to gain back even the slightest amount of respect and therefore the ability to expect anyone to listen to us ever again without laughing in our collective faces is to IMPEACH THEM ALL!

          I was watching a documentary yesterday about Tibet and listening to how the Chinese justified torturing the Buddhist monks and nuns, and I suddenly realized that we're no better. I swear I almost started crying.

          I'm not naive enough to believe that our government has never before committed atrocities in the name of the people, but I don't think we've ever been this blatent and gleeful about it.

          We're now just pathetic, hypocritical parents, telling the world "Do as I say, not as I do."

          So how, exactly, does one choose the best time to leave a sinking ship? Political Compass: -6.75, -7.59

          by tranquility on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 06:42:00 PM PST

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      •  Oh and (none)
        thank you for your efforts.  When you do something really wonderful on the senate floor, I like to make a donation (small one) and send a letter to Hutchinson telling her that I am giving all my campaign contributions to you!

        The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

        by TXsharon on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:28:06 PM PST

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      •  Compel? Plan? (none)
        This admin in uncompellable and refuses to plan or govern.  They are lip-servers and shitdoo-doo talkers.  They say whatever they can, and always do exactly what they want.

        I'm am open to be corrected.  Give me just one example.

        Let's learn from the whipping we've been getting.

        In what way is a petition going to compel an aging go-for-broke millionaire ideologue to do something he has refused to do for the entire extent of his tenure in office, in spite of the fact that his own soldiers are being killed and maimed because of his failure to do it?

        Mind you, I signed it (it made me feel good), as well as several others you are sponsoring.  But 0-0--

        Isn't it time to find something effective?

        George Bush: LIAR, LOSER, WASTREL, TRAITOR, TORTURER. Worse than the Worst President Ever.

        by Yellow Canary on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:37:46 PM PST

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        •  My point exactly (none)
          See my comment above/below (and kindly ignore the silly subthread ensuing from it).

          We need to get out ahead on this and so many other issues. Demanding, expecting, waiting for a plan from these lying incompetent evil idiots is pointless. We've got to take he lead on this and force them to follow--as we did on the 9/11 commission, Homeland Security Dept, torture bill, etc.

          My point is that when you show leadership--by proposing actual, workable plans--people start looking at you as a leader. And that's how we're going to win in November.

          I certainly applaud the senator's attempts to hold the administration accountable for its misdeeds, and will sign the petition. But it's not enough at this point. They won't lead, so we must. And the voters will thank us for it in November.

          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

          by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:41:30 PM PST

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  •  Wili E Presnit and the ACME Invasion Kit (none)
    with all due respect Senator, our presnit is a cartoon character

    george Wili E bush, coyote in chief, was trying to catch osama bin roadrunner and the ACME Invasion Kit exploded in his face

    Do you really want to see the next exciting ACME Product from bushco ???

    I'm betting presnit coyote tries the rocket rollerskates next

  •  Why did you vote for the Patriot act? (4.00)
    Why are you allowing Bruce McPherson, The CA S.O.S to force Diebold Voting Machines on us? What are you doing to get rid of these damn machines that allowed Bush to steal the General Election? What are you doing to insure that our votes will even count?
     I am one of your constituents. Please Respond.

    Participate in the CITIZENS GOVT REFORM ACTwe need your help!

    by irishamerican on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:05:36 PM PST

  •  I've come to the conclusion (4.00)
    what we've been seeing is their plan.
  •  I know why you are doing this I think, but (4.00)
    I really could care less what Rumsfeld's plan is.  His plans are proven disaster.

    I'd really like to know what Jack Murtha's plan would be or what Wesley Clark's plan would be and then again I don't know if I want the popular parts of either of their plans hijacked by the GOP to continue this miasma.

    Maybe I'd really like a petition that says "Mr. President start securing America's future or we will instead."  

    Because that is really it isn't it?  They are doing everything but making us safer, protecting our troops, protecting our country's best interests.  They are doing none of those things.

    Thank you for your spirit and your fight.  It is tough.

    •  But please sign the petition (none)
      I did.
      •  I am not suggesting that I won't or didn't (4.00)
        I am asking a question that I think is worth asking about these kinds of campaigns where by asking the failure in power to give us a plan on some level we legitimize his authority.

        I have to ask why we want to ask Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Wolfowitz, Bolton, McClellan et al anything at all.

        Imagine if none of the press corps showed up to the White House press briefing.  They would freak out.  They would probably try to pass a law saying that the press had to show up.  They would simply freak out.

        I'd rather tell them that I KNOW that their plan is not working and that I have NO confidence in their future plans than legitimize their opinion by asking for it.

        I don't think that is an unreasonable position given what we have seen from this Administration.

    •  The SecDef is Supposed to Have a Plan (none)
      Make him whip it out.

      This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

      by Mr X on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:28:24 PM PST

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  •  if rumsfeld can order an extensive qdr (none)
    why can't he orchestrate a troop withdrawal? better than the hasty hysterical flight from saigon, imho.
  •  Thank You Sen. Boxer (none)
    Glad you are my Senator.   Keep those Rebug's feet to the fire.
  •  "Failure to plan for insurgency" (none)
     If that means "failure to ask stakeholders what specific grievances they have and how to resolve them and then working toward peace", I can support you.   If you mean "failure to kill enough people insurgents to be able to impose our will", I can't.

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving: it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.--Thomas Paine

    by peterborocanuck on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:11:03 PM PST

  •  Thanks for all you are doing (none)
    I am proud that you are my Senator.
    PLEASE keep up the good work.
    •  Thank YOU! (4.00)
      Let's keep up the fight!!


      •  I'm impressed, Senator (none)
        I've never seen anyone so high-profile give so many thoughtful responses to our posts.  You even handled an upthread link like an old pro!

        My retired parents are amazed that US Senators actually post here (I'm still explaining to them what a "blog" is).

        But what better way to stay attuned to the pulse of the people?  At the rate Democratic blogs are growing, we may get some pleasant surprises in the next few election cycles.

        Oh, and rightwing media have started badmouthing this site on a regular basis.  They're nervous.  Heh heh.

        Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

        by Cream Puff on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 08:38:44 PM PST

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  •  ugh (4.00)
    I saw a Army Reserve recruiter on campus at lunch today. He asked me about my plans for the future. I asked him about the Army's plans to fix that mess.

    -6.38, -4.77 Clark/Warner

    by Jordan LFW on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:12:05 PM PST

    •  Good one (none)
      I hope my first rating (unproductive) didn't register, as it was a mistake.  I tried to fix it and make it a four which was my intention.  Anyway, I love your response to the recruiter.  Way to go.

      ...and they passed in thought out to regions where pain and delight flow together and tears are the very wine of blessedness.

      by rlharry on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 06:22:04 PM PST

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  •  Thank you Senator Boxer for all you do (none)
    I can't wait to see you on Lou's show tomorrow
    We can not let this administration sell our country out.
    We need to listen to Murtha. I think he has enough experience and has talked to enough people, to listen to what he is saying.  We need to get them out of Iraq.
    More important the dems need to start sticking together.
  •  Barbara..... (none) are on my small list of national leaders I truly trust. I signed your petition and checked the box for future action alerts. I like seeing you take the lead on issues and believe you have what it takes to energize a national following.
  •  We need more like you, Senator (none)
    I hope that Sec. Rumsfeld remembers his obligation to Congress.  While he's answering questions, please press once again for honest answers about the human rights abuses committed on his watch, with his approval.

    Thank you.

    Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

    by soyinkafan on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:15:48 PM PST

  •  The Petition's Purpose? (3.66)

    I'd really like to get a thorough understanding of what exactly you hope to do with this petition?

    "It gives the people a voice!"

    "It lets those in power know how many concerned Americans want this issue addressed!"


    As it seemingly has become with John Kerry...

    ...provided a method for you to expand your hypothetical list of supporters?

    Look...I appreciate the things you try to do.  You've taken some good stands here and there, but I'll be damned if I sign yet another petition for you guys.  What good has it done?  AT ANY POINT?!

    These jack-asses in this administration wouldn't care if you got a signature from every single person in this country.  They don't care.  Why behave as if they do?  What point is it other than just giving a few people a faux feeling as if they've accomplished something?  

    We talk about the administration living in a bubble a lot around here.  But I'm really starting to believe the Dems are in a bubble themselves by trying the exact same tired old tactics that haven't worked for the last few years.  It's like watching a bug flying into a bright light over and over and over and over again...

    Be bold, damnit!  I mean c'mon...this guy approved and encouraged torture and you want me to sign a petition to make him realize that we think he needs to start coming up with a plan on Iraq?  Are you kidding me?  How is anything short of his resignation even on the friggin' radar?

    I'm sorry Senator, but this is getting redundant, futile, and frankly...annoying.  But, if you can explain to me why I should continue signing petitions for you, despite the fact that all the others I've signed for you and your fellow senators seem to have just vaporized into the giant circular file that is this administration, then I'm all ears.

    •  This is the first time I remember Senator Boxer... (none)
      ....asking for anything from me. Senator Boxer has taken some courageous stands for us and I fully support all her efforts. When is comes to Senator Kerry, that's another matter. He has my e-mail address and I get requests all the time from his office. Many of those requests get ignored anymore, but in this case I am more that happy to assist Senator Boxer.
      •  Not the 1st for me.... (none)
        ...nor will it be the last time I'm asked by her, Kerry, Conyers, Pelosi, or any other politican.  I understand this is a way for them to gauge the public on issues, but lets call it that.  Don't try to tell me that anyone will be phased by it beyond that though.

        Opinions have no place in this administration unless they originate from within this administration.  When you listen to no one a million more no ones means little.  Petitions simply have no impact any longer.  They once did, but they don't now.  

        •  no what she's trying to do (none)
          is build "street cred" with the progressives.

          She voted for the Patriot Act, as did the Republicrat in my state (boxer is a democrat, for the most part) my senator, the one I worked my ass off to help get elected it turns out is a Demoblican jackass.  His name is Ken Salazar and me and the people in my state need to start looking for a true progressive to run against him in 2010.  I'd say in the primary but I have a feeling he'll run as a republican in the next cycle if he thinks he's lost the dem vote.

    •  Sure, Rummy Will Probably Ignore It (none)
      But for the same reason I have march on Washington, I sign the petition.

      If we do nothing, we deserve whatever we get. Eventually a movement builds. The last to jump on the bandwagon may be the ones who get things to the tipping point, but without the first to stand, we get nowhere.

      This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

      by Mr X on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:39:20 PM PST

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  •  I signed your Petition to Rumsfeld (none)
    last week.  I sign many petitions, letters...ALL to no avail.  How can an Administration which is accountable to the American People just ignore all of our concerns/protests/requests for answers?  Unbelievable...Amazing...Hijacking.  Sorry, Senator Boxer, I'm weary and tired, as I'm sure you are.  "Tomorrow is another day."
  •  Senator Boxer: Where's OUR plan? (4.00)
    Why are we waiting for folks like Rumsfeld to come up with a plan that we already know, from years of watching him utterly fail as Secretary of Defense, that he will never come up with? Why are we wasting our time waiting for Godot, since we know he's never coming?

    Why aren't we instead coming up with a plan of our own--one that could actually work and that is based on reality, not administration lies and fantasies--based on John Murtha's call for the rapid redeployment of our troops out of Iraq, and then getting the American people--who are dying for someone to come up with such a plan--behind it?

    This is something we need to do for at least two reasons.

    One, because it absolutely needs to be done, and since Rumsfeld and the administation are simply not going to do it themselves, it's up to us to do it ourselves.

    And two, because it's the smart thing to do politically, as we approach the elections and seek to have a strong, powerful, united message to send to the American people to show that we're far better qualified to lead our country than the Republicans who have gotten us into this and so many other messes.

    Senator Boxer, I urge you and your Democratic colleagues to please stop asking and expecting anyone from the other side of the aisle--let alone anyone from the Bush administration--to actually lead--let alone lead wisely and well--and start leading yourselves.

    Your party and country are waiting for you to lead. So please, just do it, and stop throwing the ball into the GOP's court, where they will just run out the clock with it and do NOTHING.

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:21:52 PM PST

    •  You remember we are not in power right? (3.60)
      We could have the most magnificent, effective plan but it doesn't mean anything as long as we are the minority party, beholden to the Republican armada and an apathetic American public.

      There's only so much we can do.  It is not our responsibility to fix the Bush administration's mess. Later, when we take back over Congress and the White House - you will see the Democratic plans in action.  (and yes, they do exist - I wish people would stop with this nonsense that we have no plan)

      Thank you John Kerry.

      by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:26:06 PM PST

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      •  But at least we'd HAVE a plan, which they don't (4.00)
        which could be used to help us WIN BACK the power we need to implement it.

        You're putting the cart before the horse here. You get to lead by first showing that you CAN lead, by coming up with and promoting plans such as this.

        E.g. the Repubs' 1994 Contract With America, which helped them win back the house.

        But you don't get back in power by simply saying "The other guys suck, we can do better, trust us on this, and we'll tell you how once we get elected."

        And it IS our responsibility to help clean up Bush's mess. If we don't, who WILL? Not the GOP, obviously, who just want to hold onto power.

        If, as you say, we do have plans, what are they, and why aren't they being waved in front of the American people left, right and center?

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:40:46 PM PST

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        •  They have presented them (none)
          And the media just dismisses them and goes back to saying "the Democrats have no plan"

          Judging from your posts, it looks like it's having an effect.

          Maybe the Democrats do need to be more forceful in getting the word out.  

          Thank you John Kerry.

          by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:46:43 PM PST

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          •  Ok, so where are the plans (none)
            I.e. the actual, detailed, point by point plans that you're referring to, especially with respect to the war? I'd love to see them. Seriously, no sarcasm here.

            And please stop with the circular firing squad insinuations. Being critical of our Democratic leaders is not tantamount to being a right-wing apologist, and I resent your implication that this is what I am. This stuff really pisses me off. I'm not making any ad hom attacks, so why are you?

            Oh, and btw, we here ARE, among others, "the Democrats", not just our current leaders, and so have every right to criticize them when we feel they're wrong.

            I do agree with you, though, that to the extent that they do have a plan (which I'm not yet convinved of), they do need to be more forceful in getting the word out.

            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

            by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:03:09 PM PST

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            •  Huh (none)
              I don't even see where you are being accused of anything.  I criticize Democrats when appropriate also.  Surely that is your right.

              The plans are out there, try Google.  Not really my job to find all this stuff for you.  Does it say personal assistant in my signature? heh


              Thank you John Kerry.

              by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:09:47 PM PST

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              •  How about this: (none)
                They have presented them (none / 0)

                And the media just dismisses them and goes back to saying "the Democrats have no plan"

                Judging from your posts, it looks like it's having an effect.

                That's not an accusation--i.e. that I'm being duped by the media?. Please...

                As for it being my job to look for these so-called plans, no, it's not, not in this instance at least. When you make an assertion--that Dems do have plans--and are then challenged to prove it, it's your burden to them do so, or else not be taken seriously. The person who makes an assertion ALWAYS has the burden of prove, not the challenger of the assertion. I didn't even have to go to law school to figure that one out.

                As for your sig line, I can't even figure it out. Are you actually thanking him, being sarcastic, or trying to have it both ways?

                "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

                by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:33:26 PM PST

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                •  That's not blaming you! (none)
                  I blame the media for perpetuating the "Democrats have no plan myth"  I said basically that by judging from your post, they've been successful at convincing some people that is true.

                  Thank you John Kerry.

                  by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:00:42 PM PST

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                  •  I came to this conclusion on my own (none)
                    And in no way exclusively rely upon or take my cue from the MSM for my take on things. So, at most, this is a case of coincidentally arriving at the same conclusion, and not allowing myself to be led by the hand by the MSM.

                    Plus, I'm nowhere near as harsh on Dems as many in the media are (e.g. Joe Klein, nearly everyone at MSNBC except for Keith, etc.). I didn't say that Dems didn't have ideas, let alone principles and beliefs. They've got plenty of those, and I respect them for it--even those whom I don't always agree with.

                    I just said that, by and large, they've yet to come out with actual, tangible, specific, detailed, implementable (or, in today's parlance, actionable) plans that can serve as alternatives to BushCo's non-plans.

                    This isn't entirely true, actually. People like John Conyers have taken the lead in coming up with initiatives to investigate them for their various impeachable offenses, such as lying about WMD, the illegal wiretaps, torture, etc. I applaud him and others like him for this.

                    And Russ Feingold has come up with tangible, specific ideas for a better version of the Patriot Act that would both protect our national security AND civil liberties.

                    But as for the war, aside from Murth's brave call for redeployment--which is still not a plan, just a seed of a plan--I've yet to see an actual, specific, detailed plan for withdrawal OR success, as opposed to the administration's non-plan for either.

                    And again, if you say we have plans, where are they? As long as you keep insisting that they do, you're obliged to point to examples.

                    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

                    by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:57:33 PM PST

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                    •  That's fine (none)
                      again about the plans.  Only obliged if I actually cared to convince you.  I already know they're out there.  I've seen them, gotten emails from Kerry, etc.  Only obliged if I really wanted to "prove" to you that I am right.  And at this time of the night, I do not.  Sorry.

                      I did read your post.  I believe you came to the conclusion on your own then.  cheers.

                      Thank you John Kerry.

                      by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 08:01:13 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Get some sleep (none)
                        And maybe we can talk about this further someday.

                        We're all on the same side here, right, differences and all?

                        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

                        by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 08:04:50 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

      •  Levity (none)
        Please tell me what you object to in my comment.  I would love to know.

        Thank you John Kerry.

        by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:47:28 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I just discovered your question. (none)
          Though I realize your view is popular in some circles, it's almost exactly backwards, and it's a lesson that should have been learned in 2004.  

          You don't run for President or control of Congress and wait till after the election to say what you'd do if you won.  Want to stay the minority party and keep Americans apathetic?  Keep supporting Democrats who vote to fund Iraq and Afghanistan, and who ask incompetents and unprosecuted war criminals for a plan; and keep telling us how powerless they are.

          We are no longer represented by most Democrats, sadly.

      •  This is what is wrong with America today. (none)
        Politics is not just the election process. If it was, the civil rights movement would have died. Right now, there is very little process outside the lobbyist money BS in Washington. The pundits on TV and in the Washington/New York papers answer to this.

        Fighting Greedy Bastards Inc. on their turf in a Washington PAC vs PAC battle is a loosing proposition.

        We need massive movements on a daily basis. We need to get people back involved in the political process. Poor people have no voice in the current situation. Poor people can march just as much as a rich person. A poor person can't create a PAC and manipulate votes in Congress.

        If you send me a letter wanting money, you don't get it. If you call for a massive demonstration, I'm there.

        I'm tired of voting manipulations done in DC. Consultants taking money, then parsing to grab percentages is not leading. Millions of people marching to DC to demand universal health care from their government is leading.


        •  I'm glad to represent (none)
          Everything that is wrong with America. woohoo!  thanks, may I have another?

          Thank you John Kerry.

          by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:38:20 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  oops, nevermind (none)
          I get what you're saying.

          peace x2

          Thank you John Kerry.

          by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:38:56 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Thank you (none)
          This is precisely what I'm talking about. Whining about how bad the administration is and demanding that they start doing the right thing is getting us nowhere. They're neither capable, nor have any intention, of doing this.


          The only way that things are going to start getting better is when we--as in we the people--start taking matters into our own hands, and demanding that our own leaders do the same.

          E.g., Cindy Sheehan, John Murtha, John Conyers, Russ Feingold,, etc.

          Waiting for change to come from above without our making it happen below is not going to work. The only way change will come is when we shake the tree and make it happen.

          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

          by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 08:03:26 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Sec. Rumsfeld, where's the resignation letter? (4.00)
    That's what I want to know.

    Thank you John Kerry.

    by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:22:18 PM PST

  •  Done Deal (none)
    You've always been a solid Democrat and one that could always been counted on.....but a question:

    A: (No offense for the format)
    What the hell turned you into the Senate pitbull...the one who's will to stand up...(albeit on top of a box)and call these people for what they are?

    Born in California in '49. Never been prouder of a California Senator.

    If we run a woman for President in 2008...I want you in the race.

  •  Why (4.00)
    would he produce an exit plan when they are establishing a permanent presence ?

    You're a Senator, tell us, are we establishing permanent bases in Iraq ?  

    (i.e. spending money to build bases with concrete aircraft hangers, paved airfields, barracks with permanent water and sewage etc...) ???

  •  With all due respect (none)
    Senator, I believe you're relying on bad numbers. A week ago, the number of Iraqis killed in sectarian violence was at least 1,300.

    And it must certainly be much higher now. At one point do we call it a civil war? Seems to me that it already is.

    •  no, see (3.00)
      they have to use the numbers the govt certifies, not the real numbers

      Boxer used to be a good Senator, and still has moments of clarity, but for the most part she's another in a long list of Dem appeasers and capitulators.  If you can't vote no against the Patriot Act then what's the point of acting outraged at some other neocon scheme?

      Barb, you are as safe as any politician in America.  Stand up please and help protect this country, the constitution and us, the citizens.

  •  Why not urge withdrawl, rather a Rummy plan? (4.00)
    And while we're talking, I really agree with this sentiment from your diary...

    Our brave servicemen and women deserve no less than the very best from their civilian leaders.

    Senator, the citizens of this country deserve no less either. In light of that, please explain to this community your recent vote to reauthorize the USA PATRIOT Act.

    I do NOT understand it. While you have my respect for standing up alone to raise a question about the 2004, I found your cote on this deeply disappointing. Why didn't you stand with Senator Feingold and the others?


    For business reasons, I must preserve the outward sign of sanity.

    --Mark Twain

    by redglare on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:28:58 PM PST

  •  Thanks for keeping up the fight, Sen. Boxer (none)
    I've e-signed your letter, and will encourage my sensible friends to do the same.

    Although some people here will simply complain about specific actions you did or did not take in the past, I, for one, recognize that you are strongly on the side of progressive Democrats in this country, and are doing a great job.  Your citizen signed letter adds to the continuing pressure we must maintain against the failed policies of the current White House administration.

    Dave van Harn
    Sebastopol, CA

  •  BB; if you're still here (none)
    for an OT question. What is the Dems plan, if any, to thwart Bush's attempt to cement his power on the throne with the line-item veto?

    Thanks for your hard - and must be giganticly frustrating - attempt to make some sense out of this insane world.

  •  Correcting these grave errors (none)
    I believe we have to really start working on who is going to be elected in 2008 and correct all thes grave,illegal and immoral acts that Bush and his group have forced on the United States. I refuse to believe that there is noone out there who can reverse many of these things.  First step is voting as many of these crooks(almost too good a word for them) out of office and putting people in who are as disgusted and fearful as we are.
  •  I feel it's and insult to our leadership to.... (none)
    questions Secretary Rumsfeld about his and Mr. Bush's plan for victory.

    They have a clear, easily understood plan to win.

    Kill every Iraqi.

    Then send the refugees from Katrina to Iraq so they can work the oil fields.

    Sound nuts to you?

    No more that General Pace's comments the other day stating for the American people that: "Iraq is not on the verge of civil war..."

    That's nuts.

    As to you Ms. Boxer I have a question: "Are you in agreement with the Kool-Aid drinking Republicans who have raised our military spending to $401.7 billion for the Defense Department's base budget, an annual increase of seven percent, for a total increase in defense spending of 35 percent since 2001?

    Apparently you are fine with this obscene waste of our national treasure. Since, as I understand it, you voted for every one of the budgets proposed by Mr. Bush.

    Do we need another carrier battle group?

    Do we need the F-22?

    Why do you continue to support this administration's war were it counts?

    "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."

    by Nestor Makhnow on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:44:46 PM PST

  •  Our Hands Are Tied.... (none)
    I want to thank you for your speaking out and bringing forward, the issues that are distroying our Democracy. I am one of Sen. Levins constituents, of which I am very proud! I know we may not all agree with every politician on every issue or for that matter every vote.  I just am very tired of hearing the media pundits saying the Dems are weak,and disorganized, over and over again.  I know how difficult it is for all of you to get your voice heard..with Rove, sending the message out to the media or else. I know it is difficult for you to get any of your bills on the floor, thus getting anything done.  I have a suggestion...
    We need to educate the voters, they don't understand, that a one party rule doesn't work TO the average Americans best interest. We are suffering, those of us that understand what is going on, however, many just think you all are just silent.
    The talk shows help, but the words have to be Dems in the house and Senate..OUR HANDS ARE TIED. OUR HANDS ARE TIED...HELP US!
    Thanks again for all you do, and I signed your petition...
  •  Senator Boxer, this is off topic, (none)
    but if you happen to check back again and see this, I'd appreciated knowing what you might have to say, as it's something I've been wondering for a few days now.

    Were you present at that farce of a joint session of Congress last Wednesday when Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi gave his address? If so, could you please give us your take on it? So far only Congressman Jim McDermott has spoken up against it, while others who were present and seemingly applauded and received him warmly (Senator Clinton in particular) are being used by the rightwing coalition over here as publicity that could work in their favor during the election campaign currently in progress.

    Thank you.

    "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

    by Donna in Rome on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:52:01 PM PST

  •  Amnesty Intl report: >14,000 Iraqis are being (4.00)
    held without trial or charges, in American Multinational Forces detention/torture facilities RIGHT NOW, according to  the British Guardian newspaper.

    It came out just today in this Amnesty International report: Beyond Abu Ghraib: detention and torture in Iraq

    Including at least 200 Children, which US admits to holding, and Rumsfeld's rules allow for children to be held for one year in jail without charges.

    n November 2004, General Geoffrey Miller, then US head of Iraqi detainee operations, stated that about 8,300 detainees were held by the MNF [Multinational Forces].(55) On 1 April 2005, the US Department of State estimated the number of detainees at about 10,000 persons.(56) According to the official website of the MNF, at the end of November 2005 there were more than 14,000 security detainees held in MNF custody, distributed over the four main US controlled detention centres as follows: Abu Ghraib prison (4,710 detainees), Camp Bucca (7,365 detainees), Camp Cropper (138 detainees) and Fort Suse (1,176 detainees), as well as various military brigade and division internment facilities (650 detainees).(57)

    Internment of women and children

    CPA Memorandum No.3 includes provisions for the internment of children: "Any person under the age of 18 interned at any time shall in all cases be released not later than 12 months after the initial date of internment".(125)

    According to the UK authorities, there are no UK or US detention facilities allocated for women or children in Iraq. They further stated that at US detention facilities women and juveniles are segregated from adult males unless they are members of the same family. (126) As of October 2005 UK authorities were not holding any women or children in detention.(127)

    At the end of September 2005 there were about 200 juveniles held by the MNF who were scheduled to be transferred shortly to the jurisdiction of the Iraqi Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs.(128) The newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat reported in December 2005 that the Iraqi Judicial Council had appointed a judge to deal specifically with cases of detained juveniles held by the MNF.(129)

    At the end of January 2006 a US military spokesman announced the release of five woman detainees, while four others remained held by the US forces.(130)

    The entire report is shocking. And we are doing this still right now.

    Isn't time to deal with the rotten apples at the top according to Nuremberg rules?

  •  Thanks for fighting (4.00)
    Now fight harder. I have three young children. When Bush was elected my only concern was how I would teach them to be proud of being Americans, despite having that moron in the White House.

    Now, my concern is keeping them clothed, healthy, fed, and alive, despite having that moron in the White House.

    When are the Democrats going to stand up and demand accountability from the military? And this petition, though nice, is pretty thin gruel compared to the challenges this country faces.

  •  I am proud... (none)
    of you Sen. Boxer. Not only did you engage us, but you did so after nearly every comment. Kudos to you. You answered even those people who did not agree with your votes. This is democracy and this is the Democratic Party. Please communicate to ALL the party leadership to get out in front of the Nov. elections and make us proud. I salute you, Madam Senator. Now get back to work. We've got a Congress to win.

    The left should be on the left, not the center or the right.

    by ThanxAl on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:55:25 PM PST

  •  Barbara - Here's the plan: IMPEACH BUSH (4.00)

  •  What a treat! (none)
    An excellent post from one of my favorite senators.  I will sign your petition!

    One question: Why don't you run for President?

  •  "we are fully prepared" (4.00)
    We've seen the videotape.  Before hurricane Katrina hit, President Bush was briefed on the likely flooding of New Orleans, on the chaos that could result, and on the various weak links in the response plans.  President Bush responded to all this simply by declaring "we are fully prepared."

    Will the day come when our troops are stranded in the dessert, just as citizens of New Orleans were stranded in the floodwaters?  Will our soldiers sit on rooftops waiting in vain for helicopters to come for them, praying for food and water?

    We do contingency planning to avoid such outcomes.  It's not acceptable to put off thinking about what to do until TV reporters show a disaster happening before our eyes.  It's not acceptable to say "no one anticipated that there would be a civil war in Iraq."

    I used to live in the United States of America. Now I live in a homeland.

    by homeland observer on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:02:10 PM PST

  •  Barbara (none)
    Why haven't you been to New Orleans yet?
    •  California Senator? (none)
      It would be nice...but...

      Thank you John Kerry.

      by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:25:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  What the hell are you talking about? (none)
        God, I could just scream.  We sent a delegation to Washington about a month ago called "Women of the Storm" a non-political group of women who went as embassaries.  They met with every single Congress member they could in order to plead with them to come here.  After continually being threatened with our very annihilation, constantly being blown one way or the other, being told one day the levees will be rebuilt, the next that they won't, we hang in the very balance of questionable continuation.

        Haven't you been following this?  Two days ago, a group which included Nancy Pelosi and Dennis Hastert FINALLY showed up.  I think there was a total of 35 of so.

        It has been said, time and time again, that you cannot possibly understand what has happened down here unless you see it, in person with your very own eyes.  

        What does it take?  A day out of your busy schedule to come down here and take a tour?  Consider that this will go down in history as the first wanton sacrifice of an American city and a great part of it's southeastern border.

        I haven't posted much on this because I sit, each day, on pins and needles, not able to make a decision about whether me and my family will have to move, or risk staying here and possibly perishing.  People have died.  We're still finding bodies.  Found three more today.  Still over 1,000 missing.

        If Pelosi and Hastert and the guy from Vermont and another from Seattle and a handful of others can make it down here two days ago, why not 100% of Congress during the next 30 days?

        •  Overreaction (none)

          Thank you John Kerry.

          by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:33:31 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  I have been following it (none)
          Yes, to answer your question.

          I'm sorry for what you're going through.  I hope things get better and we could all do more to help the situation.

          Thank you John Kerry.

          by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:35:30 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  One of Pelosi's (none)
            comments was, "Armegeddon".  We've been nonchalantly been likened to "Pompeii".  Imagine.  Just try to imagine.  Better yet, come here.
            •  Armageddon was also used to describe it (none)
              by the CNN reporter on the scene -- her last name was Meserve.  She said it the night the levees breached and she was absolutely devastated by what she was witnessing.

              Thank you John Kerry.

              by diplomatic on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:45:27 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Every day, every (none)
                New Orleanian, no matter where they are, smile on the outside but are weeping on the inside.  My people are gone.

                I'm not mad at you.  I am just so sad sometimes.  We all talk about it and we thank God for one another.

                •  This is just disgusting (none)
                  what this regime/government has done to such a great culture, how dare they do this to Americans, it just does not matter to them, IGNORANCE IS BLISS IN THIS ADMINISTRATION.  Let it be said, that other parts of the US are vulnerable to same fate as New Orleans.  We are in this all together.  I am as enraged what happened or what did not happen in New Orleans, damn this administration.  
  •  Senator Boxer (4.00)
    What is your view of Diebold recertification?  

    You are my favorite senator other than Senator Feingold, I do mean this as a compliment, 2nd out of 100 is not bad, hope you are not offended.

  •  Signed the petition (none)
    Keep up the fight, Senator!
  •  Why!!!!!! (3.25)
    The hell did you vote in favor of the USA Patriot Act.  I hold that similarly to the Reichstag voting to give Hitler supreme power.

    Certainty generally is illusion, and repose is not the destiny of man. - OWH

    by blockbuster on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:21:32 PM PST

    •  that was going to be my question (none)
      she did vote for it then huh?  how bout scalito and roberts?

      Glad you're circulating a petition Senator but um well maybe there are things you could do that are more worthy of the time, like---takin Frist into a torture chamber, hanging him by his wrists for two days, pulpifying his legs, and then ask him if HE REALLY thinks that stonewalling on investigations into prisoner abuse is FAIR. (look up torture abuse in previous diaries this site for the grotesque imagery.)

      Also, while you have his attention--tell him if he invokes the Nuk-u-ler option or re-stacks the Senate Intelligence Committee there is going to be hell to pay.

  •  Senator: (none)
    it's time for congressional democrats to demand an end to the unconstitutional and illegal occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq.

    a 2, 3 or 5 year withdrawal plan is unacceptable.

    when the executive branch so thoroughly and horribly fails as the bush administration has, congress needs to step up and do its job.

    thank you.

    "Think of Iraq as a military base with a very large oil reserve underneath.... You can't ask for better than that." Fadel Gheit

    by Superpole on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:26:01 PM PST

  •  Please speak up for Americans. (4.00)
    You're my Senator and you're one of the best.  But as Rep Murtha has pointed out, the American people are way ahead of Congress on issues like Iraq and impeachment.  Most of us simply want the occupation ended this year, and the president held accountable for his illegal actions.

    Don't you?  It's disappointing that one of our most "liberal" Senators hasn't taken a clearer stand on the most important issues of the day.  

    Measuring by those two key issues, you're to the "right" of most of the American people.  Senator Harkin is finally speaking up on getting out of Iraq - instead of asking an incompetent war criminal to come up with a new plan.

    Why can't we count on you for that kind of clarity?

    •  Levity and Murtha are Right (none)
      Iraqi leaders seem unable to talk to each other. This was hardly a successful election that is "forming" a government. Gen. Pace is in LaLa land if his view of the solution is for the US to give Iraqis money: Please take this $100 to not block the road when we barrel through?? Why is no one turning in Zaquari for the $25 mil that is the reward?  Murtha is starting to make a lot of sense to more and more Americans. Why not the rest of the Democratic leadership?

      We are sick of the "rosy" picture that links Iraqi mess to a "war on terror." Sick of the continued violation of war prisoners. Sick of the stripping of civil liberties.

  •  I am a big fan (none)
    so I apologize in advance when I say that while you are wasting time with a petition, SusanG has a front page story about Bush's budget assuming revenue projections from oil drilling in ANWR and the privatization of Social Security.  

    These nutjobs need to be stopped now, and THE only way is impeachment.  Nothing will stop them. They will not listen to you or your petition. More than 63% of this country detests this Administration.  Somehow I doubt that another petition is the answer.

    Once again I apologize if I caused any offense.

  •  I just signed your petition (none)
    And thank you for doing this. We need to apply pressure to the administration on this and many other issues on which they've been failing us miserably. And despite my critical comments to your diary earlier I do greatly appreciate your efforts here, and think you're doing an overall great job of standing up to the administration.

    But I just wish that, instead of futily waiting for them to finally do the right thing--which we all know that they NEVER will--leading Democrats such yourself (and perhaps a few brave and truly patriotic Republicans) take the lead at last and start coming up with and proposing plans of your own, and take it before the public, which is just dying for real leadership--good, competent, moral, effective, courageous leadership.

    I think that only by taking the lead from them will we ever be able to fix the many messes that they have created, and win back control of the government from them, which they clearly do not deserve, and have done a horrible job with.

    Keep up the great work, Senator Boxer, but I think it's time to take this to the next level.

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 05:51:34 PM PST

  •  Thank you Senator Boxer... (none)
    For engaging us here -- and for answering so many of the comments upthread. I've admired you ever since you stood with your House brothers and sisters following the '04 election. Thank you for doing that; although it didn't change the course of events, the action was needed. I wish more of your Senate colleagues could have stood beside you on that day.

    I signed the petition; I wish that I could have more faith in the value of these actions. I agree with the others that it's quite obvious that those in power haven't shown anything but contempt for all others outside of their 'in' they other nations, the Congress, or We, the People.

    And yet, I'll do anything to help bring them to their senses peacefully...and so I join with you.

    What other alternative do we have?

  •  Signed (none)
    I listened to General Pace on Meet the Press yesterday. His answer to Russert on the issue of the status of the "insurgency" and the potential Civil War there left me with a very bad feeling.

    General Pace felt that improved job opportunities would improve the situation in Iraq. IMO that makes sense and I have no problem with it. However, when Russert probed a little more, Pace's response was totally unacceptable:

    If you have an opportunity to get a job and feed your family, you're much less likely to accept $100 dollars to go plant a bomb on the side of the road. This is not about ideology, it's about sustaining your families in many cases. Once we have the Iraqi government functioning the way it should be, I think you'll see that the vast majority of those who, in the past, had be willing to participate in insurgent-like activity, will no longer do so.

    MR. RUSSERT: And if it doesn't?

    GEN. PACE: If what does not?

    MR. RUSSERT: If it doesn't happen that way? If it doesn't play out that way, what happens then?

    GEN. PACE: We continue to press forward until we are able to have the government that, in Iraq, that provides those kinds of services. I believe that it will, that we will in fact have a government that provides services to the people that are needed, that provides job opportunities, and in those job opportunities and in that future that is hopeful and optimistic, you will have the young men not following the insurgents, not being fearful insurgents, but living more normal lives.

    As a Project Manager, that response is frightening. I could understand it if he mentioned that they had contingency plans that he could not disclose at this time (not that I would approve of that answer, but at least I would get a bit of a warm-fuzzy from it).

    Unfortunately, the Bush Administration has repeatedly displayed an inability to perform simple risk management analysis and planning.

    Read this definition of Risk Management on Wikipedia to see what I mean:

    They appear to have only one contingency plan and that is the "blame someone else" plan. They have been very good at using it in the past, but it's way past time for them to get away with it anymore.

    The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

    by NYC Sophia on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 06:14:45 PM PST

  •  Keep up the Mighty Fight (none)
    Thank you for all you do and the extra effort you take to communicate with us here and on progressive radio.  It makes a big difference.  la
  •  Signed (none)
    DEar Senator Boxer,
       As a California resident, I implore you to do what you can to return California to the use of clear and simple paper ballots!  Diebold machines are not secure, can be too easily programed to print one thing and record another and leave me no other alternative then to register as permanent absentee.  I know my vote will count that way, but I want all our votes to count.  The problems in Ohio alone should be enough to have every Democrat in office in the state screaming at the top of their collective lungs.  As Jon Stewart said while democrats only have 3% of the power in Washington, we did get 49% of the vote.  Isn't it time we acted like it?
  •  He (none)
    will implant it in your mind right after the Win Act passes and we get to build the police state of Orwell's dreams.
  •  Petitions to those who condone torture? (none)
    Rumsfeld shouldn't even be Secretary of Defense right now. With all due respect, do you really think he gives a damn about what we think? Sorry, I won't sign anything addressed to any illegitimate member of this regime who is being allowed to keep his job after Abu Ghraib and all the other abuses that took away our soul as a nation. I don't wish to appear disrespectful, but I find it appalling thar after all the torture and the illegal and unconstitutional activity, that all members of Congress can come up with are petitions.
  •  I signed your petition. (4.00)
    Am I now going to be on some terrorist watch list or Republican enemies list for supporting you in a traceable manner?


    And as a Senator, can you find out if people who sign such online petitions or otherwise contact their representatives are marked, data-mined, or targeted in any such way?

    I think, therefore I am NOT A REPUBLICAN!!!

    by Reality Bites Back on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 06:35:23 PM PST

  •  Thanks for your efforts to make (none)
    them come up with a plan to deal with the mess we have made in Iraq and to protect our troops. It's good to remind them that we are here waiting. But even better to let them know that we are fed up with their total incompetence and the bad faith with which they govern.

    A lifelong Democrat, a moderate person with a liberal bent, I want this administration impeached now! I want them to be accountable, not just to say they are. I want them to be put out of office for their crimes which are many and very serious. The list is long, but reading last week about the government's own report showing that they did not plan for the occupation and did not even think of using the vast talent pool available to make things turn out right in Iraq, if at all possible, that to me was the height of arrogance and a crime against humanity. Because of that one thing thousands of lives have been lots and tens of thousands injured or harmed in myriad ways.

    I appreciate what you are doing but I urge you to speak out in the strongest possible terms and fight for Americans, the people, not the corporations or the congress, but the people. We desperately need a voice.

  •  "Delivering Across the Potomac"? (none)
    "Delivering Across the Potomac"?
    That is so inside the Beltway. I'm a California constituent, in your home county of Marin. I don't care if you have to take a cab ride over the river to do your job there in the Capitol. Jeez. Weep, weep. Another big symbolic march up the steps.
    By the way, you may have noticed from a lot of commenters here, particularly Californians, that we're fed up. No more free ride, BB. This has gotten out of control. You're our elected representative.
    So represent us.
  •  Thanks for your good work on the Port Deal (none)
    voters forget that Rumsfeld has tendered his resignation twice, but Bush insisted he stay on. the mea culpa goes directly to the White House.

    " the future everything is chrome. Sponge Bob Square Pants

    by agent double o soul on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:39:46 PM PST

  •  thanks from a proud constituent (none)
  •  Do it, Barbie! (none)
    unplug the BushCo war machine.  It's too expensive.

    The so-called, "Global War On Terror" IS Terrorism!

    by november3rd on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 07:53:35 PM PST

  •  And how come I hear so few Democrats (4.00)
    decrying that Republicans are using U.S. troops as terrorist bait? Republicans treat U.S. troops as inventory items and accounting entries worth less than vehicle armor or equipment. Republicans loan U.S. troops to private corporations to further revenues and use them as an excuse for corporate looting and crony no-bid contracts. Republicans use U.S. troops as political pawns, smoke screens, and speech props for their chicken hawk politicians. Republicans use U.S. troops as scapegoats for their incompetence and criminality and as bullies for their unwillingness and inability to conduct diplomacy. Republicans demand that U.S. troops violate their oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States for loyalty to the Republican Party, their commanders, and their leader - even as Republicans undermine, violate, and subvert the Constitution.

    And now the troops return to a government that tries to shed the costs of their wounds onto the wounded, cuts their vital veterans services, and leaves them to rot as if they were some kind of expendable shelf item that's past its expiration date. The voices of the Democrats could never be loud enough on this, and any withdrawal must be seen not in the light of some propagandized, false Republican victory in Iraq, but as victory for the troops and for the party of the troops, the Democrats, who fought so hard to save them from those who did so much to harm them.

    p.s. I stand up and cheer when you take the fight to the Republicans!!!

    I think, therefore I am NOT A REPUBLICAN!!!

    by Reality Bites Back on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 08:01:10 PM PST

  •  The Veep is less popular (none)
    than OJ.

    Where's your plan to retake Congress and the White House?

    What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? unknown

    by moon in the house of moe on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 08:11:35 PM PST

  •  Welp, waded all the way down (3.00)
    to the bottom here at 11:20 and still no understandable explanation for why you voted Yes on the the Patriot Act.
    •  I agree. (2.50)
      I saw her response above, and while I most certainly respect Sen Boxer for the good she has done (and will no doubt do again) in the senate, her reply seemed to me like she does not even care how the vote looks to us.

      To merely say "I wanna vote for it before I vote against it", alluding to vague, uunstipulated changes she would like to see in it, does not seem very respectful to me.

      I'm a tough customer, I know.  But when you come to my "house" asking for something, like a petition signature, please be prepared to state why you deserve our effort in something smnall and we don't deserve yours in something major.

      </judgment seat>I know it's wrong to judge without knowing all the facts, but seems to me we don't even merit the respect of a good excuse.  Sucks.

      •  Decoder rings. (none)
        Maybe she has a good answer for this, but it would spoil her plans if she divulged the strategy. Yeah, that's the ticket.

        Senator, how about a hint? Or maybe we could all use our secret decoder rings.

        Or maybe you could treat us like adults and explain to us your PA2 vote. It would be refreshing.


        Jeff Boatright
        Not from California but wishing his GA Senators were half as good as BBoxer

  •  No Longer a Fan (4.00)

    A recent CNN poll showed 68% of those polled didn't like the way Bush and/or Republicans were leading the country.  Good news for Democrats, right?  But the same poll showed that 67% thought the Democrats wouldn't do any better.

    Many, if not most, here at Daily Kos have held this view since 2000.  It seems the country has moved away from the extreme right, closer to our views.  But most feel the Democratic Party has not moved with them.  We are looking for brave Senators who will stand on principal, whose statements and actions reflect a belief in the values that have made this country strong.

    In an earlier reply, you said that your vote puts you in a better position to "fix" the Patriot Act.  Well, you have until November to show us how this strategy will work.  We have 68% of the country on our side.  We're looking for Senators that reflect our views. Personally, I was disappointed when Cindy decided not to challenge Diane.

    By the way, I reside and vote in Martinez.

  •  sorry (3.50)
    I'm sorry senator Boxer. I have become so totally disillusioned with the Democrats in Washington. You defend your vote for the Patriot act by saying it will put you in a better position to amend it later. Pray tell just how that is?
    We have a criminal admisitration that is sacrificing our youth on the alter of some fairy tale notion of foriegn policy and your answer is to send the Sec of Def. a pettition? A Pettition?
    For god sakes have you people no sense of urgency? Is playing to the Washington press corps all you can think of? Why aren't you shutting down the operation of the Senate until we get a real investigation into the illeagle wiretapping? Why aren't you demanding a full accounting of the billions of unaccounted dollars lost in Iraq? I am tired of the excuse that being in the minority means you can't do anything, that is just poppycock, especially in the senate, Harry Reid proved that months ago. When are the Democrats going to start acting like our democracy is at stake? This is no longer politics as usual, the people in power today are like nothing I've ever seen, they can't be reasoned with, they won't bargain, they lie to us and to you regularly, they defy the law, and your answer is to go along with them on hateful legislation so you will be in a better position to modify it later? You fight them with pettitions? My god.
    •  well it shouldn't piss you off then (none)
      that neither the real John Kerry or Barbara Boxer are the ones putting these well intentioned but totally meaningless diaries together.

      some jr aid who can understand that "progressive" doesn't necessarily equate with status quo democrat.  But they know how far they can take the rhetoric without compromising the fact that Boxer was sitting on her duff all day making pride-shrinking deals with her gop buddies.

      These people are too busy/lazy to read the shit the vote on: think they really give a shit about what bloggers actually think or that they would actually condescend to taking time out of their day to devote to writing diaries and such?  I don't.  

      But I appreciate your and everybody else's comments in this diary--even pseudo-Boxer, who, even though he/she is getting paid to kiss our ass, is making the effort.

  •  If I may... (none)
    I'd like to point out that the Senator is really, really lovely.

    Troll rate me if you wish, Kossacks, but I had to say it!

    /resume politics

    Trying To Maintain Rationality
    econatheist's bloggity blog blog

    by EconAtheist on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 09:35:21 PM PST

  •  A petition?? (none)
    You think Rumsfeld gives a brass razoo for your petition? Petitions were always the language of no avail. I can never understand why people think they achieve anything.

    Walking. It's the new driving.

    by Batfish on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 11:02:18 PM PST

  •  Jesus Fucking Christ (none)
    WTF is wrong with half of you people! You are biting Senator Boxer's head off! Stop your whining for a minute and listen to her reasoning - it makes sense. I usually despise people who preach blind party loyalty, but this is not one of those cases. Most of what I have been reading is whining nincompoops who repeat the smae "i hate you b/c you voted for this bill" line. Jesus Christ people, Senator Boxer is one of the most progressive voices in the Senate. If it wasn't for the work of her and others, the latest version of the Patriot Act would be a hell of a lot worse. Do you fucking idiots realize that we are a minority right now? We need to COMPROMISE to accomplish what we need to do. Stop your UNPRODUCTIVE BITCHING and realize the country would be worse off if it wasn't for her. She was one of the only senators who had the courage to vote against the war and is consistently a champion of civil rights. Just b/c she votes for a bill dosen't mean she thinks it is perfect. Voting for something allows you the right to bring it up later to be fixed. A useful tool when you have a deadline. Intra-party cannibalis like the kind I have witnesssed on this thread accomplishes nothing and is COMPLETELY UNPRODUCTIVE. How about offering ideas and solutuions and listening to how the senator plans to address your concerns.

     It's because of some of the whacko posters on this thread that those of us in the liberal blogosphere are dismissed as extremists by the democratic leadership.

    -6.00, -4.41 "The foolish and the dead alone never change their opinions" - poet James Russell Lowell

    by Deano963 on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 01:05:14 AM PST

    •  "We need to COMPROMISE (none)
      to accomplish what we need to do."


      Compromise, on whether the rule of law is in effect?  
      No, let's re-establish the rule of law.  I saw lots of great thoughts above on how to do exactly that.

      Dude, is your comment snark?  

      Just because we can, that doesn't mean we should.

      by Simplify on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 01:15:48 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Idiots (none)
        like you should focus on regaining control of congress so we will be in a position to do the things we want to do, not tearing down great senators like Barbara Boxer who are on our side.

        -6.00, -4.41 "The foolish and the dead alone never change their opinions" - poet James Russell Lowell

        by Deano963 on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 02:04:11 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  um Yum (none)
          I bet that Koolaid tasted real good going down didn't it.
          How dare we complain when someone who is supposed to represent us votes to destroy our civil rights, after all she could have voted to destroy them even more so we should thank her.
          But now you say she can bring it up again and change it. Sure sure, I'm holding my breath waiting for that to happen, are you loopy? Do you think this bill is ever going to come up again?
          Treating the Patriot Act like it's just some other ordinary piece of legislation, where we might have some disagreement is insane, this is a direct assault on our liberty and you are congratulating her for voting in favor of it.
          •  Apperently ignorance isn't limited to Republicans (none)
            Wow you took the cake for ignorance with that comment. The Patriot Act was going to pass - that's a fact. Senator Boxer realized that, still had problems with it, she voted for the reformed bill and her vote will allow her to bring it up later. What don't you understand about us NOT having control of Congress right now. Step out of your fairyland dream and realize democrats cannot acccomplsih everything they want - we are a minority right now.  A revision to the Patriot Act can be added to any piece of legislation, and if the senate democrats attach it to something with bipartisan support, we can finsih fixing it. Extremists like you do nothing but cut at the knees of one of the most progresssive senators in the senate as Barbara Boxer.

            Yes, I do think the bill will come up again. If I am not mistaken, it was only extended for six months. I'm sure you were too busy ranting your drivel to realize that. Senator Boxer is not assaulting your liberty she is defending it and simpletons like yourself cannot realize that and that is unfortunate.

            -6.00, -4.41 "The foolish and the dead alone never change their opinions" - poet James Russell Lowell

            by Deano963 on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 03:18:56 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  You'r right ignorance isn't limited to Republcans. (none)
              "The legislation that extends the statute makes all but three of its provisions permanent. Provisions allowing roving wiretaps, eavesdropping on ``lone-wolf'' terrorists and FBI demands for business records will expire in four years unless they are renewed again by Congress."
              Sorry that I'm so ignorant, I guess I have to learn to shriek louder to obtain your level of wisdom.
              You have yet to explain the costs of voting against this bill, or explain in any chorent form how voting for it helps. Other than screaming at me and calling me stupid, ignorant, idiotic, etc. you might try explaining just how having most of the Democrats in the Senate vote to extend this piece of shit does us any good whatever.
    •  let's commend the senator (none)
      for having the guts to stick around and respond to our posts.  The vitriol makes me slightly queasy, but then again, the people who represent us need to know the level of our frustration and outrage.  We are pretty much infinitely pissed off, and rightly so, over the death of democracy as we have known it.
      He doesn't need a petition, he needs an arrest warrant! Put that up here and I'll sign that!
      Are those trashing others for expressing their utter outrage and disappointment that these people are STILL THERE understanding the urgency of doing something a bit more timely to get our govenment back? Bolton is already threatening Iran now. Do you not see that the plans are in motion? Are we all supposed to remain oblivious and politically correct and drag this out because it is an election year?... and even THAT is a laugh, because Democrats in Congress are not even challenging DIEBOLD and other companies as they should be doing! We need paper ballots and an end to privatization of our Democracy. Where is it? What are they afraid of?

      Our elections are shams, and our government is being ruled by illegitimate corporate whores who care NOTHING for the people and have proven that time and time again from 9.11 to Hurricane Katrina! I don't think it is US anyone should be dumping on. And from now on, I'm not going to come into these threads written by members of Congress and kiss their feet, and I'm sorry if that offends anyone. I'd rather tell the TRUTH.  I have a child of age within two to three years to TAKEN from me in this damned war (and don't tell me Bush couldn't do that, as he has gotten away with everything else), and I will be damned if I am going to sit here and exchange "niceties" and thank people for doing their job! Will World War Three even wake some of you up?

    •  Just explain it for the "nincompoops" - (none)
      most of whom are asking sincere questions, not whining, and actually respect Boxer's record.

      Voting for something allows you the right to bring it up later to be fixed.
      Does a past vote against a bill really forbid that representative from helping to fix it later?  Or does a consistent voting record increase the credibility and power of the representative - as with Feingold's successful filibuster on Dec 16th - provided the Senator's colleagues don't betray him/her?

      When you downrate sincere questions you don't want to hear answers for, you evidently consider debate "unproductive' or unpatriotic.  On that issue you may have more in common with Bush than Boxer.  Presumably that's why others have rated your comment "Troll".

      •  There you go again (none)
        Wow, I haven't heard such stupidity since the last time I heard Cheney speak. Your accusations that senators "betrayed" Feingold are exactly why some dem leaders describe bloggers like you as extremists who hurt the party. Has it ever occurred to you that you do not know why each of these senators voted for the bill? Do you know how the negotiating over the Patriot Act went? I'm sure you don't. Just jump on the bandwagon and trash talk Boxer and don't bother reading her explanations.

        Then you make the claim that I said people who question Boxer are "unpatriotic". Wow, last person I heard put false words in someone else's mouth was Bush and Cheney - seems like you have a lot miore in common with these liars than i do.

        -6.00, -4.41 "The foolish and the dead alone never change their opinions" - poet James Russell Lowell

        by Deano963 on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 03:27:46 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  You don't help Sen Boxer when you (none)
          sully her diary with hostility and paranoia.  

          I did not use unpatriotic in quotes - it was "Unproductive" since that's evidently your preferred rating for comments you disagree with - an error more common of newbies.  You aim to stifle questions and debate.

          I didn't accuse - I proposed an alternative theory in the course of a straightforward question about your misleading/false claim:
          Voting for something allows you the right to bring it up later to be fixed.
          Does a past vote against a bill really forbid that representative from helping to fix it later?
          The answer is obviously no, with Feingold as just the most obvious example, and your avoidance of this truth doesn't clarify anything or help Senator Boxer's credibility - in fact, your hostile outbursts weaken her case and her diary.

  •  Thank you for all that you are trying to do (none)
    But I have a question: If we are successful in the 2006 and 2008 elections, will we be able to undo all the damage that Bushco has done to America?

    P.S.I very much enjoyed your novel 'A Time to Run'


    "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones"

    by roseeriter on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 01:53:58 AM PST

  •  Senator Boxer (none)
    I believe George W. Bush has committed multiple high crimes and misdemeanors and deserves to be impeached today.

    Do you?

    If we're dumb. Then God is dumb. And maybe a little ugly on the side.

    by Ghost of Frank Zappa on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 02:14:05 AM PST

  •  Sen. BB, I just signed your petition (none)
    One of the bright spots of these last several election days is to have been able to walk into the polling place down the street and proudly cast my ballot for you.  Thank you for all you do, for California and for the country.  

    "Some of you are going to die... martyrs, of course, to the Freedom that I will provide!"

    by emperor nobody on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 03:27:09 AM PST

  •  Thank You Senator... (none)
    It must be awful being in Congress on the wrong side of a dictatorship.

    May the Lament of the Gopers be as a great wailing unto all nations. For they have bartered their Constitution for the oil of snakes!

    Love Songs From Ground Zero

    by Subway Serenade on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 06:08:44 AM PST

  •  The plan was to oust (none)
    Saddam Hussein because he refused to agree to permanent U.S. bases in his country.  The successor government under Chalabi was supposedly committed to granting that demand.  Since the Iraqi people resisted the imposition of the "desired" leadership, they are going to have to experience mayhem until they cry "uncle" and agree to having us there indefinitely.
    If the Senator is not aware of this plan, it's probably because she's been serving on the wrong committees and hasn't qualified for top secret briefings.  So, she knows less than the people on the ground who are resisting having their territory and natural resources (including water) taken from them.  
    However, having considered and voted on various budgets for the Department of Defense, she must know that the money dedicated to base construction is much more than is needed for a short-term presence.  And what about all the money for moving the missiles from Germany and setting up sattelite tracking stations?
    Somebody needs to pay more attention.

    Forget "GOD, GUNS, GAYS, GIRLS & GETS"

    by hannah on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 06:15:36 AM PST

  •  I always make it (none)
    a point to watch when you are speaking. You are a great person, and a classy lady, who stands up to be counted against this administration. Thankyou for the great job you do. I loved when you stood up to Condi Rice. Thanks again.
  •  I don't mind signing the petition (none)
    but what actually will it achieve?

    I am worried right now, because I can't figure out what the Democrats want to do with the troops in Iraq, because if you call it a civil war or not is pretty much in the eye of the beholder.

    I had the feeling that Murtha, you and Gen. Clark, (I don't even listen to Sen. Clinton on this) have different ideas about what the smartest thing to do really IS.

    I want to understand the differences between them and not talked around it. May be there are not many choices anymore left anyhow.

    In which way will this petition help you achieving exactly what?

    A country is not only what it does - it is also what it puts up with, what it tolerates. - Kurt Tucholsky

    by mimi on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 06:48:14 AM PST

  •  It's time... (none)
    "King Richard the Lying Hearted" Dick Bushfeld has got to GO!

    Nuf said.

    Somebody please, K.O. this Administration!

    by onp67 on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 07:15:44 AM PST

  •  Sen. Boxer (none)
    I admire your strength and courage and am very glad someone is keeping this Corporate Governments feet to the fire.

    I also would like to see someone lead this nation out of it's depenence on oil.  I have traveled through California and was impressed with all the wind farms etc... You being from a very progressive state are in a good position to marshall all of that states brain trust and champion the development of many different types of alternative energy sources.  Showcase the best and brightest ideas from your state. Remember, it starts on the west coast and rolls east. Share this forum with your collegues and have them start similiar initiatives in their states, collaborate.  Hopefully this will eventually reduce the need for war & oil, and petitioning the DOD. I know your immediate goals are pressing, but a multi-pronged approach can yield results for our future.

    Thanks for listening!

  •  Put me down as (none)
    One of your constituents who'd have hoped you'd come down on the losing side of the Patriot Act.  I really would have liked to have seen you back Russ Feingold in fighting the good fight on this issue.

    That being said, you showed some guts sticking around to answer the criticisms, here.  Thanks for doing that.

    I'll sign your petition.

  •  Response from Donald Rumsfeld (none)
    Barbara, thank you for your question.  The plan is to keep funneling vast amounts of our nations treasury into the quagmire of Iraq and hopefully start another large conflict in Iran at the cost of billions more (the exit thru Iraq is Iran if you look at the map).
    At the same time, with the aid of a large housing price bubble (thank you so much Mr. Greenspan) and the constant vast outsourcing of the best jobs within the US, when that bubble pops, your constituents in CA along with millions upon millions of Americans across the nation will be financially stressed to the point of absolute despair.  
    With the GOP majorities in all branches of government, we will quickly pass draconian legislation that makes what we have done so far pale in comparison.
    Essentially, killing off financial avenues for your opposition party to fund your campaigns.  With companies such as Diebold and the multitude of large corporate donors who overwhelming favor the GOP, we will maintain power thru all avenues to ensure that the administration will never be forced to face justice as is written in US and International law.  
    Our corporate sponsors will continue to live on with the heated new economies created in India and China with vast new markets for their little widgets and will be a source of funding for generations to come.  In fact, is it any wonder why our wise president is handing nuclear technology to India for some mango's?  In case you haven't figured it out yet, our military has been built to its massive proportions to protect 'American' interests.  Now, we know that most US citizens believed that that meant "the american people"....hahahaha.  The military is to be used to protect globalization goals, the WTO, IMF and all their interests.  If you have any other questions feel free to ask, after all, it is a free country still isn't it...hahaha

    A legacy of death, lies and incompetence with the sign of the cross.

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 08:21:17 AM PST

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